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jack grebe
10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
I am going to be in the market for a pickup.
Donna and I plan on selling the MotorHome and
getting a fifth wheel trailer instead.

Important are fuel economy and of course
towing capacity.

suggestions?

Phillip Allen
10-11-2009, 02:32 PM
I don't think there's much to do for fuel economy...

Paul Pless
10-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Important are fuel economy and of course
towing capacity.These are typically mutually exclusive.

My experiece with a serious towing vehicle is my 2500 HD Duramax 4x4. I was very happy with it. Not great mileage about 15.5 to 16 highway empty, but towing a 7,500 pound trailer made no difference at all in mileage. Rock solid driving on the interstate with a trailer too. Never had a problem with it in 100,000 miles. I think max towing capacity on the 2500 non duallie is somewhere around 16,000 pounds which is huge comapred to trucks 10 years ago.

Not sure how the modern diesels stand up to running on used french fry oil.;)

Before that I had long series of Z-71 Silverados, all gas engined vehicles. Definately not a possibility for a fifth wheel.

jack grebe
10-11-2009, 03:02 PM
I'm thinkin diesel too......I luv my Mercedes "D's":D

4WD is not needed, so I may be able to pick up some MPG's there

Paul Pless
10-11-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm thinkin diesel too......I luv my Mercedes "D's":DYeah... There's no way at all I'd consider doing any serious towing with a gasoline powered truck.

Ethan
10-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Fwiw, I have an old, beat up F-350 diesel (International made) that you couldn't force me to sell. Seriously, it looks like a POS, but that truck gets everything I need done and more. Like Paul said, the mileage sucks for just driving around, but up to about 9000# on the trailer, it doesn't budge. I've found the pre-2002 Ford diesels pretty easy to work on also, but I'd guess you have many more skills in that area than me.

Phillip Allen
10-11-2009, 03:40 PM
I really don't like diesel...just because

Paul Pless
10-11-2009, 03:48 PM
I really don't like diesel...just becauseYeah well... by way of comparison my same year model (2003) one ton Ford gasoline engine van gets 11 mpg unloaded - 8 mpg towing a light trailer (golf cart).

k4lmy
10-11-2009, 05:18 PM
Just to throw my two cents in.. I am using a Ram 2500 4wd Hemi 8ft. bed to pull a 8 or 9 thousand pound fifth wheel.. Pulled it all over the southwest last winter with no problems.. Then up to Maine in the summer.. out to Indiana in Sept. ( Yes, I am not getting much boat work done) getting a little better than 15 mpg unloaded and 9 to 10 loaded. Feel totally safe pulling at highway speeds.. by the way I have been carrying about 1000 lbs of tools and supplies to live for three week mission assignments.

Good luck and Happy 5th wheeling..

Dan McCosh
10-11-2009, 05:29 PM
Can't say too much about it, as it is just being launched on the market, but Ford is introducing a new diesel F350 with a new engine it developed pretty much specifically for this kind of work, touting the best mileage and towing capacity in the market. They have been buying a Navistar diesel, but this one is their own design. Haven't see prices either, but I would expect it to be fairly high. The new-generation diesels are very good, meet very high emission standards, and they are very pricey.

TimH
10-11-2009, 05:59 PM
We just bought a Dodge 2500 Cummins with camper special (actually a 1 ton). We are currently getting 20 - 25mpg around the island. Havent towed anything yet. As good of mpg as my 4 banger ranger and a damn site better than my old Dodge 2500 with V10 :)

TimH
10-11-2009, 06:01 PM
I really don't like diesel...just because

My 1998 Ram 2500 4x4 with V10 got 6 -8mpg

The 2000 Ram we just bought is essentially the same truck with the Cummins diesel. It get 20 - 25mpg.

brad9798
10-11-2009, 06:53 PM
No need for Diesel, unless you want it. Folks get too hung up on Diesel for these types of applications.

The 5.7 HEMI is plenty ... the GM 6.0 Vortec is Plenty.

Pick your poison on trucks ... for this type of towing, it's "whatever your dad liked" or whatever you like that should drive your decision.

Sure, A Ford, Dodge, Chevy guy will argue about this and that ... but there's not a nickels worth of difference in how 2500 HD trucks are put together ... OVERALL!

Me, I prefer the Dodge, of course! ;)

Ethan
10-11-2009, 07:27 PM
No need for Diesel, unless you want it. Folks get too hung up on Diesel for these types of applications.

The 5.7 HEMI is plenty ... the GM 6.0 Vortec is Plenty.

Pick your poison on trucks ... for this type of towing, it's "whatever your dad liked" or whatever you like that should drive your decision.

Sure, A Ford, Dodge, Chevy guy will argue about this and that ... but there's not a nickels worth of difference in how 2500 HD trucks are put together ... OVERALL!

Me, I prefer the Dodge, of course! ;)

Yeah, there's a lot of truth in the above. Trucks and politics - two subjects that will get you WAY more input than is really useful. I had a GM with the 6.0 Vortec. Overall, was pretty pleased with it. If I remember correctly, I put about 80,000 miles on it in just under 4 years, with nothing other than basic maintenance. Hell, it pulled a 28' Chris Craft from Texas to Alabama, averaging 70 mph and about 17 mpg. Of course, that was on I-10 -- not many hills and mostly straight road.

coelacanth2
10-11-2009, 10:27 PM
I have an '03 6.o F250 which replaced a 2000 360 equipped Durango. I had had my previous Dodge for 16 years with nary a problem (it's still running around on a friend's farm...) The Durango was the ultimate "built on Monday after a holiday by hungover workers" LEMON. Best fuel economy was 16 once only on a flying rip back from Canada. Rest of the time...9..12...11...13 and grotesquely unreliable:mad:. Broke a lease to rid myself of the stinkin' thing. I'm told that the 6.0 Powerstroke has had some grevious problems, esp with the headbolts stretching - thank Providence Divine, that hasn't happened to me. I have the 4wd version and regularly see 18 average in mixed driving, with a usual 22 to 23 highway. It is also astoundingly quick for such a big, bricklike vehicle, and doesn't notice a tow until there is 5 - 6 k lbs back there. I'd buy another. Mr Smalser swears by the earlier 7.3 Powerstrokes, and others are quite fans of the Cummins 6s in the Dodges. Early Duramax engines had some valve troubles, I believe, now probably solved. If you don't anticipate too many miles, go with gas - at 6 to 10 thousand per years, economy almost isn't relevant. Much more than that, or really heavy towing, go with the diesel.

TimH
10-11-2009, 10:51 PM
They claim the Cummins goes 300k between rebuilds and there are quite a few out there driving around with 1,000,000 miles on them.

Apparently the other diesels arent rebuildable.

BrianW
10-11-2009, 11:00 PM
Up here, diesel is once again cheaper than gasoline.

Not sure about the lower 48.

Paul Pless
10-12-2009, 04:29 AM
They claim the Cummins goes 300k between rebuilds and there are quite a few out there driving around with 1,000,000 miles on them.I think you're right about those engines, especially the older Cummins. Used to be common to watch a Dodge truck slowly fall apart around its engine.

brad9798
10-12-2009, 07:17 AM
I think you're right about those engines, especially the older Cummins. Used to be common to watch a Dodge truck slowly fall apart around its engine.

True. Bullet-proof powertrains of any manufacturer will see the car fall apart around the it!

Some that come to mind are the GM small blocks, the JEEP (AMC) 4.0 straight six, the GM 3800 series, Ford small blocks, and others ...

TimmS
10-12-2009, 08:01 AM
I used to be a dodge fan. But then dad bought an '07 3500 Chevy with a Duramax and 6 speed auto transmission. I have never seen a pickup that can pull like that. He regularly pulls a 14K pound excavator, many pallets of stone or block.....evven our 15000 pound dozer. I now drive an '02 3500 van with a 6.5 liter V8 (the one before the duramax) I am getting 18-21 MPG empty, and in the 17 range when I tow a good sized boat. If you want to do any serious towing, Diesel is the way to go.

Mrleft8
10-12-2009, 08:22 AM
Just hook it up to the bumper of you Merc... Joe did it with a Geo Metro... :D ;)