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Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 10:11 AM
Right Now for
Cold Spring, NY (10516)

http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/30.png?12122006
Partly Cloudy and Windy
67F
Feels Like
67F
Wind:
From W at 22 mph
gusting to 38 mph

Whatdoyathink ? ;)
Russ ??

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 10:12 AM
> :D

Mrleft8
10-07-2009, 10:19 AM
Forecast gusts over 50mph this afternoon....... Maybe 1 reef..... NAH! Go for it!

Larry P.
10-07-2009, 10:32 AM
You'll regret if you do. There is nothing fun about 40kt gusts.

Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 10:43 AM
Forecast gusts over 50mph this afternoon....... Maybe 1 reef..... NAH! Go for it!

Well I tell ya what, I must be getting old or sensible or something because I just don't have it in me to venture out in these kind of conditions any more. Besides the 1 sec thrill is followed by 2 minutes of panic then 5 min of dread. And always the possibility of end of season damage to a 45 year old classic woodenboat and a 45 year old gap tooth gnome. :D

Mrleft8
10-07-2009, 10:45 AM
Well I tell ya what, I must be getting old or sensible or something because I just don't have it in me to venture out in these kind of conditions any more. Besides the 1 sec thrill is followed by 2 minutes of panic then 5 min of dread. And always the possibility of end of season damage to a 45 year old classic woodenboat and a 45 year old gap tooth gnome. :D

....Yeah....It would be a shame if Tidbit got damaged......

TimH
10-07-2009, 10:46 AM
I was out a few days ago in 25 knots with higher gusts. under jib alone I was smoking along at hull speed.

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 10:48 AM
Well I tell ya what, I must be getting old or sensible or something because I just don't have it in me to venture out in these kind of conditions any more. Besides the 1 sec thrill is followed by 2 minutes of panic then 5 min of dread. And always the possibility of end of season damage to a 45 year old classic woodenboat and a 45 year old gap tooth gnome. :Dprobably what these guys were thinking in hindsight. . .

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-jLgHzfXWAU/STr3MtiXbrI/AAAAAAAAAvE/Y5uP1s4RPDk/s800/_IGP0125.jpg

John of Phoenix
10-07-2009, 10:49 AM
My boom split the other day in 20kts. Made it back in ok but that sure gets your attention.

TomF
10-07-2009, 10:50 AM
Jesus Murphy!

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 10:51 AM
My boom split the other day in 20kts. Made it back in ok but that sure gets your attention.John, where do you sail outta Pheonix, Arizona?

Canoez
10-07-2009, 10:53 AM
probably what these guys were thinking in hindsight. . .

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-jLgHzfXWAU/STr3MtiXbrI/AAAAAAAAAvE/Y5uP1s4RPDk/s800/_IGP0125.jpg

Pucker Factor +1

:eek:

Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 10:54 AM
The real problem around here is the gust as they whip around the mountains and there direction and strength are TOTALLY unpredictable. Combine that with a strong tide in the wrong direction, hard chop and you have a recipe for disaster, no matter how capable of a sailor you are. There is a reason that sailors have thought this section of the Hudson was haunted and one of the most dificult spots to sail through for centurys

TimH
10-07-2009, 10:56 AM
probably what these guys were thinking in hindsight. . .




At least they are safely near shore :)

Mrleft8
10-07-2009, 10:56 AM
There is a reason that sailors have thought this section of the Hudson was haunted and one of the most dificult spots to sail through for centurys I thought it was the ego's siren song calling from shore.....:D

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 10:59 AM
At least they are safely near shore :)notice they have their fenders ready :D

TimH
10-07-2009, 11:00 AM
notice they have their fenders ready :D

I was going to mention that :D

Good thing its an ugly boat.

goodbasil
10-07-2009, 11:00 AM
No reef. Face death like a man.

Good to see you back Joe. Staying? Or just dropping by?

Mrleft8
10-07-2009, 11:02 AM
No reef. Face death like a man.

Good to see you back Joe. Staying? Or just dropping by?

Whatever...:rolleyes:

Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 11:03 AM
No reef. Face death like a man.

Good to see you back Joe. Staying? Or just dropping by?
Never left :p

TimH
10-07-2009, 11:04 AM
Seems like a catboat is at a disadvantage in those kinds of winds. Even with a reef in you still have one big unwieldy sail to deal with.
There is a new loacal Alberg 37 listing for a good price. Its a sloop though. I want a yawl for offshore sailing just because of the additional sail combinations in high winds.

Figment
10-07-2009, 11:41 AM
They're still making Alberg 37s?

John of Phoenix
10-07-2009, 11:45 AM
John, where do you sail outta Pheonix, Arizona?
There are several lakes near Phoenix. Lake Pleasant is quite large, has 2 separate public ramps with a total of 14 lanes and parking for about 700 vehicles as well as a public marina. There is also a private marina with another multi-lane ramp and at least one yacht club keeps their boats there. It's only about about 30 miles from downtown Phoenix and gets lots of use during the summer. Cigarrette boats are a real hassel out there.

My favorite is Tempe Town Lake. It's a lake made by damming a section of the Salt River that runs through the metro Phoenix area. Sail, row or electric only and it's only 10 miles from my house. It's only a couple of miles long and a quarter mile wide or so but has great facilities and I often have the lake to myself. Nice and relaxing.

For a sense of scale, that inverted U on the south side is ASU's Sun Devil Stadium (where they try to play football).

http://www.kam-az.com/tempe%20town%20lake.jpg

TimH
10-07-2009, 11:54 AM
I am suprised all that water doesnt evaporate.

huisjen
10-07-2009, 11:57 AM
I wonder what the salinity difference is between the input and outflow.

Dan

TimH
10-07-2009, 11:58 AM
They're still making Alberg 37s?

No. Been out of production since 1988 (from 1967)

They are solid boats. A 1977 hull, Good News, ended up on a Block Island, Rhode Island, beach in 1991’s Hurricane Bob and suffered only scratches.

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 11:59 AM
http://www.kam-az.com/tempe%20town%20lake.jpg

Primarily a resevoir for all those world class golf courses in your area?

Apparently there are two within a mile of of it in your photo.

Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 01:31 PM
WOW it was windy alright :eek:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-2429.jpg

Tore apart my sail cover :eek:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-1323.jpg


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-1910.jpg

Can't imagine what would happen to Tidbit and myself had I gone out.

Ian Marchuk
10-07-2009, 01:59 PM
What would a REAL sailor do in tough conditions like that, Joe????
Arrrrr, head for the pub...

LeeG
10-07-2009, 02:19 PM
Arrrr

George.
10-07-2009, 02:25 PM
The real problem around here is the gust as they whip around the mountains and there direction and strength are TOTALLY unpredictable.

Yup. Lost two headsails in three seconds once in conditions like that, blown to shreds as I hove-to right after a knockdown.

Bruce Hooke
10-07-2009, 02:29 PM
The wind is gusting to almost 40 here in Rhode Island. I've been on the water in conditions like that and it is not a lot of fun in a small boat...

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 02:33 PM
...right after a knockdown.A knockdown in your big schooner... I haven'theard this tale yet.

Do tell.

George.
10-07-2009, 02:34 PM
It's no fun on a big boat either, if you have passengers and are in command. Somehow, being responsible for other people, particularly if they are not experienced sailors, changes the boundary between "fun" and "dangerous."

John of Phoenix
10-07-2009, 02:57 PM
I am surprised all that water doesn’t evaporate.

My pool drops about an inch a day in hot weather. The lake is replenished by releasing water from a series of reservoir lakes up stream and what little rain runoff that happens along. The "river" is often flowing from upstream lakes but more like a stream than a river.
In a pinch, they get water from the Central Arizona Project, a canal system that distributes water from the Colorado River throughout (duh) Central Arizona.
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I wonder what the salinity difference is between the input and outflow.
No difference. There are pumps that circulate the water. I had a chat one day with the university biologist who keeps track of the lake. I asked him about the signs that prohibit "body contact" with the water.
"Am I gonna die a horrible death because I jump in from time to time? Cholera? Typhoid? Worse?"
He said, "This is as healthy as any man made lake you'll ever find."
"That's good, right?" So far, so good. ;)
It's stocked with trout, bass, crappie and a couple of other species a few times a year. There are several kinds of ducks, cormorants, several great blue herons and a couple pair of osprey who fish the lake when they're here. A very healthy lake given that it's in the desert.
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Primarily a reservoir for all those world class golf courses in your area?

Apparently there are two within a mile of it in your photo.
The north course is a municipal course - small but popular because it's cheap. The southern one is the ASU course donated by Karsten Mfg., a little local outfit known for their Ping golf clubs.

As far as I know, they both use reclaimed water from various sources but not lake water for irrigation. BTW, the barriers at each end are inflatable rubber dams - pretty amazing technology.

bobbys
10-07-2009, 02:58 PM
Be careful Joe My folks said 50 mph winds possible in Greenwood lake ..

George.
10-07-2009, 03:08 PM
It's stocked with trout, bass, crappie and a couple of other species a few times a year. There are several kinds of ducks, cormorants, several great blue herons and a couple pair of osprey who fish the lake when they're here. A very healthy lake given that it's in the desert.
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Any kingfishers?

John of Phoenix
10-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Nothing quite so exotic.

Paul Pless
10-07-2009, 03:22 PM
Any kingfishers?a favorite of mine

George.
10-07-2009, 03:49 PM
A knockdown in your big schooner... I haven'theard this tale yet.

Do tell.

Here you go:

A slap of wind (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52228)

TimH
10-07-2009, 04:00 PM
Nice boat George!

Dalia (http://magcloud.com/browse/issue/27756)

Joe (SoCal)
10-07-2009, 04:02 PM
I remember that thread

Russ Manheimer
10-07-2009, 04:52 PM
Joe,

Just saw this post and and to repeat what I said on your FB post, "Remember what's the better part of valor".

You'll probably get caught out in conditions like that some day, but tis far better to watch the river with a dram in hand than to intentionally subject Tid Bit to the Nasties.

Fair winds Joe.

Russ

And put some ties on the sail cover when a blow's predicted. The flapping will do it every time.

Such as:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3648/3431085329_901cee3fef.jpg

DavidS
10-07-2009, 06:50 PM
Find a nice pub near the water. Have a drink. Sit by the window.

Be glad you're in a pub having a drink by the window.