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  • pefjr
    Humorist
    • Dec 2008
    • 14330

    Who is the Commander in Chief?

    Obama, Biden, or General Stanley McChrystal?

    Vice President Joe Biden has privately proposed narrowing the mission in Afghanistan, concentrating instead on attacking al Qaeda targets that are based primarily in neighboring Pakistan.

    General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, last week told the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London such a strategy would probably be "shortsighted.




  • peter radclyffe
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 5523

    #2
    Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

    dont you know yet its Joe, cshoh

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    • Paul Pless
      pinko commie tree hugger
      • Oct 2003
      • 124805

      #3
      Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

      Originally posted by pefjr
      General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, last week told the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London such a strategy would probably be "shortsighted.
      Followed by a come to jesus moment with Obama in Denmark.

      Probably only a matter of weeks until we hear of his resignation.
      Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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      • paladin
        Senior Senior Member
        • Dec 2000
        • 26476

        #4
        Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

        and we ain't won a war since the politicians started running them...just wracked up body counts........
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        • ljb5
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2004
          • 18136

          #5
          Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

          Obama is the Commander in Chief.

          He can (and should) seek out advice from other people. From time to time, that advice may differ from his own opinions.

          Just because he has received conflicting advice does not mean that he is not the Commander in Chief.

          Thanks for asking.
          ”If you look at it from a contextual standpoint, I think it's accurate. If you contextualize in concrete numbers fashion, it's not accurate."

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          • George.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2004
            • 17955

            #6
            Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

            War is politics. It is always run by politicians.

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            • pefjr
              Humorist
              • Dec 2008
              • 14330

              #7
              Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

              Originally posted by ljb5
              Obama is the Commander in Chief.

              He can (and should) seek out advice from other people. From time to time, that advice may differ from his own opinions.

              Just because he has received conflicting advice does not mean that he is not the Commander in Chief.

              Thanks for asking.
              I wish he would seek/demand the advice/authority/responsibility of Congress. I hope he does not fall into the same mistakes of the last 60 yrs, and then ask Congress for a rubber stamp, because Congress would just as soon he take all responsibility. Another scapegoat. Meanwhile soldiers die daily.



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              • htom
                Member #919
                • Dec 1999
                • 11118

                #8
                Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                Originally posted by George.
                War is politics. It is always run by politicians.
                That's backwards, IMAO. Politics is a subset of warfare, and that's why the politicians usually do so poorly at it.
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                • Kaa
                  Wanderer
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 13503

                  #9
                  Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                  Originally posted by pefjr
                  I wish he would seek/demand the advice/authority/responsibility of Congress.
                  How that's going to help with anything..?

                  Kaa

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                  • pefjr
                    Humorist
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 14330

                    #10
                    Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                    Originally posted by Kaa
                    How that's going to help with anything..?

                    Kaa
                    It would put the responsibility of war-making back on the shoulders the Congress as per the Constitution. Responsibility to the people, which last polls indicate NO to Afghanistan.



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                    • pefjr
                      Humorist
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 14330

                      #11
                      Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                      Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                      Considering the behavior of Congress recently, are you sure you want your wish fulfilled?



                      Better for the President to take responsibility, and let his success/failure be his own responsibility, than to let the responsibility be diffused into a multiplicity of historical re-writes.



                      I don't recall a lot of concern for soldiers dying daily, during the first few years of the Iraq war.... at least, until the lies about WMD's were finally uncovered.
                      Yes

                      That idea has failed for 60 years.

                      Your recall is "out of order".



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                      • Kaa
                        Wanderer
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 13503

                        #12
                        Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                        Originally posted by pefjr
                        It would put the responsibility of war-making back on the shoulders the Congress as per the Constitution.
                        Yes, but why will it help?

                        Basically, why do you think Congress will make better decisions than presidents?

                        Originally posted by pefjr
                        Responsibility to the people, which last polls indicate NO to Afghanistan.
                        If you just want the US to get out of Afghanistan, why not say so outright instead of trying the roundabout Congress route?

                        Besides, you don't really want to run foreign policy on the basis of population polls, do you?

                        Kaa

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                        • pefjr
                          Humorist
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 14330

                          #13
                          Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                          Originally posted by Kaa
                          Yes, but why will it help?

                          Basically, why do you think Congress will make better decisions than presidents?



                          If you just want the US to get out of Afghanistan, why not say so outright instead of trying the roundabout Congress route?

                          Besides, you don't really want to run foreign policy on the basis of population polls, do you?

                          Kaa
                          The president should make war decisions with Congress. Obviously its better.


                          I do, I have, but I am a peon.

                          Population polls? no. Opinion or voting polls, yes



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                          • George.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 17955

                            #14
                            Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                            Ever hear of unity of command? Try that in a Congress.

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                            • Kaa
                              Wanderer
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 13503

                              #15
                              Re: Who is the Commander in Chief?

                              Originally posted by pefjr
                              The president should make war decisions with Congress. Obviously its better.
                              I completely fail to see what's obvious about it being better.

                              Originally posted by pefjr
                              Population polls? no. Opinion or voting polls, yes
                              What's the difference?

                              And you really want to run foreign policy on the basis of opinion polls..?

                              Kaa

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