Howdy - meet my boat

[dorydude]

Hi all.

New here - looks like fun.

I am what could be described as an obsessive wooden boat builder. I am sure there are many more here. Finish one - start another sort of thing. Sometimes I start the new one before I finish the previous!!

Anyway, here's a stretched William Atkin "Hope" (designed April 1934) for you. Spaced the frames an extra 4" apart to get the overall length of 30ft 8in. I have raised the topsides between 4" and 5" to keep everything in proportion.Changed construction to d/d strip ply for ease and speed of construction (apologies to purists , but we must move with the times).

Power provided by a 90hp Etec Evinrude hidden in a well (substitute for the mid mounted inboard which gobbled too much space in the cabin)

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[Thorne]

Nice! More pics...

[dorydude]

Sure..

http://i33.tinypic.com/2hplkso.jpgHowzat??

[dorydude]

http://i33.tinypic.com/fa0uw7.jpg

[dorydude]

http://i33.tinypic.com/ofpy5y.jpg

[dorydude]

@20 knotshttp://i33.tinypic.com/2q862pc.jpg

[dorydude]

interior...http://i33.tinypic.com/2enqg04.jpg

[Concordia...41]

Way Cool! :cool:

- M

[dorydude]

Way Cool! :cool:

- M
:o..thanks..

[ShagRock]

Lovely! I like the cabin shape you achieved..seems nicer to me than the Atkin's original. Did you draw it up yourself?

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Way Cool! :cool:

- M


What Margo said X 2!

[holzbt]

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/images/Hope-1.gif

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/images/Hope-3.gif

WOW!!! You've done a beautiful job.

[StevenBauer]

Impressive!





Steven

[David G]

Very nice. What inspired you to make the cabin & pilothouse mods?

[johngsandusky]

Really Beautiful.

[Auroradan]

She's too nice to float in anything but Champagne!
Really like what you did with the window shape and overall cabin design.

Dan

[dorydude]

Thanks all for your kind words.

The cabin profile is more '50s style. it was a tough choice to depart from the original, but the result is much better , I think. It was a lot more complex to build as the original cabin has flat front and screen.

The cabin was designed by Nick Peal, who also designed the Southstar 37.
http://www.salthouseboats.com/showcase-southstar37.html

http://i35.tinypic.com/k9yrls.jpg

[dorydude]

...anyone interested , I have full construction pics as well.

Steve

[Bert Langley]

Absolutely stunning and YES to the construction pictures.

[24hacker]

Great job!!

[nedL]

WOW, absolutely gorgeous! Yes to construction pictures too. :)

[ILikeRust]

Post them pics, man!

Very lovely boat!

[dorydude]

Okay..

The earliest shot I have is this one. Frames and transom stood up and bottom stringers on. The frames are 3 laminations of 3/4" x 3/4" kauri, except for the last three. The curves on the tumblehome were too tight - even 6mm (1/4") timber was snapping, so I ripped up a bunch of 1/4" ply and laminated them!

The bottom stringers are also 19mm x 19mm (3/4" x 3/4").

At this early stage I already fitted a length of PVC pipe to carry steering/ engine controls etc.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2n87kmf.jpg

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[dorydude]

Ahh, all so simple ? No. I didn't have any of these specs on the original plans, so every stage involved a lot of sitting around and head scratching.

When I went to install the topside stringers, I noted that the whole arrangement was moving too much and the frames were springing around, so I plated up the bottom....easy job.... 12mm (1/2") ply. The fwd panel had too much twist in it, so I used 2 layers of 6mm ply.

I used butt straps on the inside because I knew they would be hidden.

http://i34.tinypic.com/k2kbkl.jpg

Even at this stage, it was hard to sight down the frames and see a fair line!!

Now everything was nice and stable, the topside (3/4" x 3/4") stringers and gunwale could go on...

http://i36.tinypic.com/b8wqx2.jpg

[dorydude]

Yaay...now I got to start the topsides. Note the extra timber batten on the chine...The No1 killer of ply boats is water ingression through endgrain, simply because it is too hard to seal properly - so I never leave it exposed...

Topsides are 2 layers of 4mm (3/16") ply ripped into 4" strips.

http://i33.tinypic.com/fn4rv9.jpg

I remember sliding under the boat to clean off excess glue on the inside. Not pleasant.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2evdy7m.jpg

The big patch of filler?

Well, old William Atkins offsets from 1934 had a couple of small errors, and one big one at stn4. I really had to guess the shape of this frame from the ones either side, and was about 1/4" out in the end.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2evxljs.jpg

2nd layer almost finished. Note that the ply "planks" get thinner (50mm) 2", as we get to the tighter curves. The hollow flare in the bow wasn't so bad, but the tumblehome at the back was an absolute bitch. I remember the last couple of feet taking ages as I was down to 1" strips!I'd be holding the plank with one had on the chine, the gunwale end with my foot, whilst trying to shoot a staple in the middle somewhere while the whole thing slid around on the epoxy bedding like a well greased pig! I had to redo many of them.

That tumblehome looks great, but it comes at a cost!

[dorydude]

I'm sure most of you builders have been through this..

About this stage, if my memory is correct, I realised that it would have been much easier and quicker to do the boat in strip cedar!:cool:

[Candyfloss]

You're in Bayswater Marina?

[dorydude]

You're in Bayswater Marina?

Nah, launching pics at Westpark.

[coelacanth2]

What a horribly ugly boat...I'll save you. Just put it in a container and ship it to Delaware - I'll hide it here for you, so you won't have to suffer so:D. Seriously, really pretty. Do you take her fishing?

[dorydude]

What a horribly ugly boat...I'll save you. Just put it in a container and ship it to Delaware - I'll hide it here for you, so you won't have to suffer so:D. Seriously, really pretty. Do you take her fishing?

Haha. Thanks for your kind offer.:D

I actually took you seriously for a while. I organized some mates, we pulled the boat out, scrubbed her, organized a container and were just about to push her in when we realised none of us knew where Delaware was....so we bought some beer and got drunk.

You would have hated her anyway - no good for fishing - can't risk sinkers etc being dragged across the topsides:eek:. Put waay too much time into that paint job, thanks very much!

[Candyfloss]

You would have hated her anyway - no good for fishing - can't risk sinkers etc being dragged across the topsides:eek:. Put waay too much time into that paint job, thanks very much!

Fibber! I can see the rocket launchers on the stern deck.:p

Great job mate.

[Ian Marchuk]

Very nice build. Keep the construction photos coming please.
Using an outboard sure opens the boat up.
Any thoughts on the design and performance regarding the power choice?
Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to provide us with these pictures and noodlings , they are really pertinent to a design that I have in mind.
Best wishes ... Ian

[dorydude]

Very nice build. Keep the construction photos coming please.
Using an outboard sure opens the boat up.
Any thoughts on the design and performance regarding the power choice?
Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to provide us with these pictures and noodlings , they are really pertinent to a design that I have in mind.
Best wishes ... Ian
Thanks Ian,

William Atkin originally designed this boat for a Gray 4/40, and if my memory serves me correctly , speeds of around 15/16 knots were expected. As I stretched the boat and therefore the rocker was slightly straighter, I assumed that higher speeds would be possible.

My original preference was for a 70hp OMC, as it is a narrow 3 cylinder motor. The tumblehome really reduces the beam at deck level down aft so a V4 motor was out of the question, and the 90hp ETEC was available at a very good price, so the 90 was fitted.

In retrospect, a 70hp would have been quite sufficient. The boat accelerated quickly and smoothly to 17/18 knots, at around 4500rpm, but the last 2000rpm only produced another 4 knots.

At the original length, I think "Hope " would only require 50hp.

The "Ninigret" has a similar underwater shape and is likewise easily driven with low power.

What are you thinking of building?

[Ian Marchuk]

I have just written a detailed reply and hit a rock when I tried to post it .
I will try to retrieve it and post tomorrow, its time to retire ....
Till then.... Best wishes... Ian

[Ian Marchuk]

Hello DD , I had written up a detailed , albeit rambling response to your question about what I was wanting to build. The whole half hour's rambling and pecking went into goodness knows where when I hit the submit icon.
I used the term welded aluminium power sharpie , must be verboten on the WBF.... wink
Details : designed by our own MMD, 36 ft, 8'6" max beam, 11" hull draft, 6000 lbs max displacement. 3400 lbs as welded.
I have noodled this design for too long now, through some personal and business setbacks , not to mention the economic events of the last year. I do not believe that we are anywhere near the beginning of the process of economic recovery despite the stock market's apparent optimism.
The choice of aluminium is based on my background of welding and millwrighting , it is a familiar material. Wood/epoxy would be much slower and another learning curve that I really do not have a heart for on this scale. A 14 to 18 foot skiff would be ok , but not 36'. We do not have any local source for good wood material either.
The MMD 36 resembles your boat to some degree. The chines are more defined than yours and it does not have that lovely tumblehome that you have .... yet. It is planing ,outboard powered, and trailerable.
On the subject of the tumblehome I enjoyed the comment you made about the gymnastics involved in trying to fasten googey greasy strips while avoiding stapling a digit into the hull. We used to think that one armed paperhangers had it tough! Phew!
The MMD36 has a v berth followed by setees and a drop leaf table . On one side after the setee, a cooler and head. On the other, a sink and stove.After the trunk cabin bulkhead is open cockpit. Steering station is just aft the standing head room cabin. I am noodling a modest pilothouse to increase cruising season in the northwest of BC.
More details to follow if you like, first I'll see if I can get this posted.
More construction photos are always appreciated and enjoyed.
Later...
Best wishes... Ian

[dorydude]

Aluminium??

They make beer cans out of aluminium.

I like beer.:D.

Seriously though, I'll post some more pics soon. Having 'puter troubles too.Pics are on an old machine, and it needs some persuasion to let me access them.

[outofthenorm]

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but if you were trying to build a dory, you got it all wrong. :D

http://i33.tinypic.com/fa0uw7.jpg


- Norm

[gavinpascoe]

Did you make the frames of NZ or Pacific Kauri?

[Candyfloss]

If he got NZ kauri, I want to know about it.

[Eric D]

Tell/show me more pics of the motor well you have on that design please.

Anything else you have on this one would be appreciated. Wow do I love that design/mods you have done. Stellar work.

Your finished beam was?

[dorydude]

Sorry for ignoring this thread, having trouble locating my pics:(.

I'll sort it out in the next couple of days.

In the meantime..

Frames and stringers NZ kauri.

Interior ply - Fijian kauri.

Interior fitout - Asian kauri - More stable and much better quality than the Fijian .

For Eric - finished beam = 8ft.

[Candyfloss]

Where can I source NZ kauri, Dude?

[dorydude]

Where can I source NZ kauri, Dude?

..No idea, sorry. haven't bought any for years. Prefer macrocarpa - evidently a very close relative.

[Eric D]

Thanks for the beam update, now for the motor well/transom details/pics? LOL, when you get a chance, I would appreciate it...Very nice work Dorydude.

[randolini]

Congratulations on such a beautiful boat. Magnificant!

Would you please explain how she handles in 2'-4' chop, and at what speed?

Thank you in advance