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Bob Cleek
09-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Now these, my friends, are planes! And you don't need to do any foundry work to make them!

http://www.holteyplanes.com/images/spiers1219apa.jpg


http://www.holteyplanes.com/blog/

http://www.holteyplanes.com/

holzbt
09-22-2009, 08:39 PM
A friend got one at a garage sale several years ago for $5.00. It was perfect in the box. I almost dropped it when he told me what they cost new.

TimmS
09-22-2009, 08:45 PM
Would anyone actually use them though? I like my Neilsen.
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/images/605.jpg

Doug Wood
09-22-2009, 08:49 PM
<Now these, my friends, are planes! And you don't need to do any foundry work to make them!>

You do, however, need a load of dough to buy one. If I did my calculations correctly, they start out at around $4k and top out at $11k. Think I'll stick with the lowly LV and LN versions. They certainly are beautiful, though.

Jim Ledger
09-22-2009, 08:51 PM
No adjustable throat.:(

TimmS
09-22-2009, 08:59 PM
I found this image on his site....they are VERY cool.

http://www.holteyplanes.com/images/982-Exploded-view.jpg

Lew Barrett
09-22-2009, 09:57 PM
Well they are beautiful, and I suppose they're worth whatever they cost but I will never be able to afford one, nor are they anywhere near the top of my list. I will keep my LNs, thanks! They're already better than I am:D

RFNK
09-22-2009, 10:20 PM
They're already better than I am:D


And by the same logic that's why my old Stanleys, Records and Falcons will have to do! But those shoulder planes shown are just beautiful - thanks Bob. I have a small Record shoulder plane (can't recall the number, sorry) that is so useful. I'd hate to be without it. Rick

Canoeyawl
09-22-2009, 10:42 PM
They are indeed lovely, but - 'Tis a poor workman that blames his tools"
*
Castings are inherently more rigid and always make a better tool.
Iron castings have a high percentage of graphite in the iron, a natural lubricant. Not to mention the modulus of elasticity...
I’ll bet that a good ol’ Bailey with rosewood handles and a laminated Japanese iron will produce better work.

seanz
09-23-2009, 12:47 AM
...
I’ll bet that a good ol’ Bailey with rosewood handles and a laminated Japanese iron will produce better work.

Only because a Holtey would make your hands shake......;)

Lovely planes, there's a picture essay on the making of them somewhere but it's a bit 'rich' if you're on dial-up.

Nicholas Carey
09-23-2009, 04:40 AM
Build yer own from a kit at


http://www.traditional-handplanes.com/planekits.html
http://www.breseplane.com/Plane_Kits.html
http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/

Canoez
09-23-2009, 08:17 AM
Now these, my friends, are planes! And you don't need to do any foundry work to make them!

http://www.holteyplanes.com/images/spiers1219apa.jpg


http://www.holteyplanes.com/blog/

http://www.holteyplanes.com/

Yeah Bob, they're nice - spendy - but nice. I might even let ya get me one for my birthday next year to replace my Stanley and Sargent and I'll tell you how they go.

:rolleyes:;)

Mrleft8
09-23-2009, 08:43 AM
No adjustable throat.:(

They don't need one...:cool:

Jim Ledger
09-23-2009, 09:11 AM
They don't need one...:cool:

Why's that, then? :confused:

Paul Pless
09-23-2009, 09:27 AM
Here's two of the preeminent craftsmen of the forum weighing in. I'd like to know if either one of them truly has a use for such a plane? (functionally speaking, not aesthetically)
They don't need one...:cool:


Why's that, then? :confused:

johngsandusky
09-23-2009, 09:35 AM
Four grand?
That's more than all of my tools together, any of my cars but one, and five of my boats.

gert
09-23-2009, 10:00 AM
They are rather "pretty"

But you wouldn't use it; what if you dropped it?

I would park it in the display cabinet with all the other pretty stuff no one ever looks at.

I'd rather spend my money on art that hangs on a wall.

But you have to hand it to Holtey; people with too much money do need "relief", it can't be easy being rich.

Mrleft8
09-23-2009, 10:08 AM
Here's two of the preeminent craftsmen of the forum weighing in. I'd like to know if either one of them truly has a use for such a plane? (functionally speaking, not aesthetically)

The accuracy of the fit of the iron to the throat of the plane, the weight of the plane, the thickness of the iron, the adjustability of the frog, the fit of the cap iron, all reduce the need for an adjustable mouth. An adjustable mouth is there to add support when cutting squirrely grain. When you want to use your plane like a drawknife, and hack off 1/4" edge bevels in one whack, you open the mouth up and drop the iron down... I wouldn't imagine you'd be doing this with a Holtey.
I have used one of these planes, and they really are fantastic. Would I buy one? No. Would I use one if it was given to me? You bet your bippy I would!

Jim Ledger
09-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Here's two of the preeminent craftsmen of the forum weighing in. I'd like to know if either one of them truly has a use for such a plane? (functionally speaking, not aesthetically)

No use at all, functionally speaking. It's too good for me.

This one works for me at one sixteenth the price (adjustable throat, too)...


http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/searover1916/P1010022.jpg

Jim Ledger
09-23-2009, 10:25 AM
The Holtey doesn't have a cap iron, Doug.

Mrleft8
09-23-2009, 10:46 AM
The Holtey doesn't have a cap iron, Doug.

You are correct, on the plane in question. I was thinking of their infill bench planes. Block planes, and rabbet planes have bevel up irons, and the "cap iron" is built into the wedge cap, or lever cap.

gert
09-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Canadian Rendition:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/3948510682_f64eb229d0.jpg



No.7 "Norris" shoulder plane

- 8" long
- parallel sides
- steel, brass or bronze sides
- dovetail construction
- widths from 1/2" up to 1-1/2"
- 20˚ bed angle
- Honduran Rosewood or Brazilian Kingwood infill
Prices start at $1850.00 CDN
Plane shown is 1-1/4" wide, Ebony infilled with Brass sides


http://www.sauerandsteiner.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=970

gert
09-23-2009, 02:54 PM
American "cool"

http://www.bridgecitytools.com/images/products/184/zoom_1101-197.jpg

Founder's Price
$795.00

http://www.bridgecitytools.com/Categories/Woodworking+Tools/Planes