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bobbys
09-19-2009, 04:00 PM
LIBERAL LIES ABOUT NATIONAL HEALTH CARE: BONUS JOE WILSON EDITION!
September 16, 2009
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I'm trying to get to the next installment of my Pulitzer Prize-deserving series on liberal lies about national health care, but apparently liberals have decided to torture us by neurotically fixating on one lie.

After President Barack Obama gave a speech to a joint session of Congress last week passionately defending his national health care plan, the Democrats were agog at the brilliance of the speech. Nancy Pelosi was so thrilled, her expression almost changed.

But as Obama ticked off one demonstrably false claim after another -- eliciting 37 standing ovations from the Democrats in the audience -- America's greatest living statesman, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., yelled out, "You lie!" in response to Obama's claim that the bill will not cover illegal aliens.

There are a number of theories about why America's greatest living statesman shouted "You lie!" at that juncture, but mine is that Wilson said it because Obama told a big, fat stinking lie.

Every single American knows it's a lie. But liberals take pleasure in repeating it -- and then condescendingly accusing anyone who doesn't accept their lie of being a toothless, illiterate racist.

Our politicians, media and courts have done everything they can to encourage illegal immigration, including obstinately refusing to enforce the border. While illegals streaming across the border generally aren't prosecuted, U.S. border patrol agents who naively try to guard the border often are.

Wise (and pregnant) Latinas dash across the border just in time to give birth at American hospitals -- medical services paid for by U.S. taxpayers -- gaining instant citizenship for their children, thereby entitling them to the entire Chinese menu of American welfare programs.

In 2004, 42.6 percent of all babies born at taxpayer expense in California were born to illegal aliens, according to a state report on Medi-Cal-funded deliveries. In hospitals close to the Mexican border, the figure is closer to 80 percent. Remember: This is before health care becomes "free" to every U.S. resident.

Hospitals across the country are going bankrupt because the federal government forces them to provide free services to illegals. This situation appears to have angered some segment of the population, in particular, American citizens who pay taxes to support the hospitals, but then are forced to spend hours writhing in pain in hospital waiting rooms.

With Americans in a boiling cauldron of rage about the government's impotent response to the tsunami of illegal immigrants, last year, both political parties ran candidates for president who favor amnesty for illegal immigrants.

And now Democrats have the audacity to tell us to our faces that national health care won't cover illegals. Not only that, but they tell us we must not be able to read if we think it does.

The crystalline example of this sneering liberal pomposity came from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday night:


"Reading the House health care bill would show you that (the bill does not cover illegal aliens). But you know, sometimes reading is hard. Fortunately, in the case of the health reform bill, there is a way to get all of the information that's in it without any of that pesky reading.

"It's called HearTheBill.org. Volunteer voiceover actors have donated their time to read all 1,017 pages of the house health care reform bill, HR-3200, the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.

"So if you don't want to tire out your eyes, you could just listen to the thing that disproves (Rep. Wilson)."


Maddow then played an audio clip of Section 246 from the bill. This section, which liberals keep brandishing like a DNA-stained dress, states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

In other words, illegal aliens are excluded from precisely one section of the thousand-page, goodie-laden health care bill: Section 246, which distributes taxpayer-funded "affordability credits" to people who can't afford to pay for their own health care.

Even this minor restriction on taxpayer largesse to illegals will immediately be overturned by the courts. But the point is: Except for vouchers, the bill does not even pretend to exclude illegals from any part of national health care -- including the taxpayer-funded health insurance plan.

Moreover, liberals won't have to wait for some court to find that the words "nothing in this subtitle shall allow" means "this bill allows," because the bill contains no mechanism to ensure that the health care vouchers aren't going to illegal aliens. Nor does the bill prohibit the states from providing taxpayer-funded health care vouchers to illegals.

Democrats keep voting down Republican amendments that would insert these restrictions -- just before dashing to a TV studio to denounce anyone who says the health care bill covers illegal aliens.

It's as if we have a relative who shows up at every holiday gathering, gets bombed and totals the family car. At the 18th Christmas celebration, he's not only demanding a drink, but also calling us liars for saying he's already totaled 17 family cars. Gimme a gin and tonic and the car keys, you lying racist!

I think that's why America's greatest living statesman erupted with rage when Obama retailed this particular lie during his speech on health care.

It's bad enough to be lied to, but to be lied to by people who accuse us of not being able to read when the problem is that we can read -- and also can remember what happened at the last 17 family Christmases -- is more than even Mother Teresa could bear without a quick heckle.

ANN COULTER

2MeterTroll
09-19-2009, 04:45 PM
funny i dont recall her winning a Pulitzer prize for honesty in reporting.
in fact i dont recall her winning the prize for anything. http://www.pulitzer.org/awards/2009

Donn
09-19-2009, 04:57 PM
Who said she won the Pulitzer?

Keith Wilson
09-19-2009, 05:03 PM
No, she didn't win the Pulitzer. Not bloody likely. She says she deserves the Pulitzer. :rolleyes:

High C
09-19-2009, 05:03 PM
Funny, I don't recall her claiming to have won a Pulitzer.

Keith Wilson
09-19-2009, 05:08 PM
She didn't.

2MeterTroll
09-19-2009, 05:24 PM
oh i am sorry went back and read it again and her other stuff where she keeps saying she deserves one. my bad .... must be my insinuation sense acting up.

oznabrag
09-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Sorry bobbys, that doesn't qualify as a bonus.

Captain Blight
09-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Anne Coulter.


Not even if the survival of the species depended on it.

oznabrag
09-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Uh...Cap'n? I'm not sure she's the same species as you.

Captain Blight
09-19-2009, 05:56 PM
There's something more than a little insectile about her, isn't there?

pefjr
09-19-2009, 06:28 PM
Is Anne a legal bait in Oregon bobbys?

Captain Blight
09-19-2009, 06:33 PM
Legal, yes. Desirable, no.

Hey, it's a free country, she can say what she wants. She can also be disagreed with.

Donn
09-19-2009, 06:42 PM
Hey, it's a free country, she can say what she wants. She can also be disagreed with.

Yep. She speaks to millions, and you disagree to dozens.

Oh wait. You haven't disagreed, just laid out personal insults.

Norman Bernstein
09-19-2009, 07:04 PM
Yep. She speaks to millions.

Ann Coulter is an author and columnist. She indeed speaks to millions.... millions of people who like to hear what she says.... and that's just fine. She makes a great deal of money from it... which is her right.

Whether what she says is true, or accurate, or even remotely objective (although I'm sure that even she wouldn't claim 'objectivity') is in dispute. However, if there is one thing that has been proven since Obama has been elected, it's that the truth doesn't matter.

No, really.... it doesn't.

Lies are as good as truth, if you're trying to whip up political hysteria. In fact, they are even better. If you are willing to say that 'deep down, Obama hates white people', it's going to be good for 10 points in the ratings. Say it a second or third time, and the ratings go up and up and up.

The more radical, the more outrageous, the more outlandish you are, the better you do. You can say someting like 'school buses ought to be segregated' (Rush Limbaugh said that the other day) and nobody will even blink.

If too much is not enough..... does it EVER become enough?

I'd like to think that there will come a point... a tipping point, if you will... where the bulk of the population (that isn't so far off the bell curve that they couldn't hear it if it rang), will finally get fed up with it.... and there will be a backlash. Maybe even the people who initially encouraged and fed this trend might eventually get fed up with it.

But maybe not.

The tipping point might even come in the form of another Timothy McVeigh. A building could be bombed, people will die, or maybe there could be a political asassination... with the hysteria being elevated day after day, every day, it isn't out of the question... it's happened before. When people come to political rallies armed with semi-automatic weapons, carrying signs with veiled threats of violence masquerading as patriotism, you know that the pressure cooker is heating up.

And what will Ann Coulter say then?

Captain Blight
09-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Yep. She speaks to millions, and you disagree to dozens.

Oh wait. You haven't disagreed, just laid out personal insults.Wow. Dude. 4 reelz, yo?

Paul Girouard
09-19-2009, 07:17 PM
Dipping your toe into the political septic tank eh Norm!:p

bobbys
09-19-2009, 08:37 PM
funny i dont recall her winning a Pulitzer prize for honesty in reporting.
in fact i dont recall her winning the prize for anything. http://www.pulitzer.org/awards/2009.

Me thinks that was a sarcastic tone.

bobbys
09-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Sorry bobbys, that doesn't qualify as a bonus..

I think it was great she added another great article.

bobbys
09-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Ann Coulter is an author and columnist. She indeed speaks to millions.... millions of people who like to hear what she says.... and that's just fine. She makes a great deal of money from it... which is her right.

Whether what she says is true, or accurate, or even remotely objective (although I'm sure that even she wouldn't claim 'objectivity') is in dispute. However, if there is one thing that has been proven since Obama has been elected, it's that the truth doesn't matter.

No, really.... it doesn't.

Lies are as good as truth, if you're trying to whip up political hysteria. In fact, they are even better. If you are willing to say that 'deep down, Obama hates white people', it's going to be good for 10 points in the ratings. Say it a second or third time, and the ratings go up and up and up.

The more radical, the more outrageous, the more outlandish you are, the better you do. You can say someting like 'school buses ought to be segregated' (Rush Limbaugh said that the other day) and nobody will even blink.

If too much is not enough..... does it EVER become enough?

I'd like to think that there will come a point... a tipping point, if you will... where the bulk of the population (that isn't so far off the bell curve that they couldn't hear it if it rang), will finally get fed up with it.... and there will be a backlash. Maybe even the people who initially encouraged and fed this trend might eventually get fed up with it.

But maybe not.

The tipping point might even come in the form of another Timothy McVeigh. A building could be bombed, people will die, or maybe there could be a political asassination... with the hysteria being elevated day after day, every day, it isn't out of the question... it's happened before. When people come to political rallies armed with semi-automatic weapons, carrying signs with veiled threats of violence masquerading as patriotism, you know that the pressure cooker is heating up.

And what will Ann Coulter say then?.

How about when Maureen Dowd ups the racist card by saying she heard "boy"??..

Guess you didn't "blink" then.

O i guess she does it for the money too.?.

Maybe a tipping point may come when millions of hardworking tax paying Americans are tired of being called Teabaggers, Mobsters and nutcases and Nazis.

bobbys
09-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Yep. She speaks to millions, and you disagree to dozens.

Oh wait. You haven't disagreed, just laid out personal insults..

Yeah i notice all i heard were insults from the peanut gallery.

JimD
09-19-2009, 09:33 PM
America's greatest living statesman, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C.,

At least she got that part right. But to be fair six others also voted to keep the Confederate battle flag flying over the SC state legislature building.

2MeterTroll
09-19-2009, 09:36 PM
hey if i insult her; do i get to be in the peanut gallery?

JimD
09-19-2009, 09:38 PM
hey if i insult her; do i get to be in the peanut gallery?

The gallery is full at the moment so you'll have to wait your turn.

2MeterTroll
09-19-2009, 09:39 PM
Aww nuts

bobbys
09-19-2009, 10:28 PM
hey if i insult her; do i get to be in the peanut gallery?
.

LOL sure but no Adams apple jokes!!

Nicholas Scheuer
09-20-2009, 05:55 AM
Just think how much this thread would be if we threw in Sarah Palin, too!

Mrleft8
09-20-2009, 08:26 AM
Saw her on fox last night. She's getting wierder and wierder. Her eyes don't even focus anymore... One of them is just sort of rolling around in it's socket, while the other one darts back and forth neurotically.
Maybe she means that she deserves a "pullet surprise"...... She must be hungry.

Keith Wilson
09-20-2009, 08:52 AM
Every now and then a political movement spins out of control. The mechanism is similar to a feedback loop, a self-reinforcing spiral into extremism. Within the movement, the way to get listened to, the way to gain status and credibility, is to sound more extreme than the next guy. More moderate voices are derided as Traitors to the Cause. Less and less attention is paid to anyone outside the group, and those inside start to think that most people think like them, even as they're getting further and further way from the majority of people.

Anyone who was paying attention to politics in the late '60s and '70s saw exactly this phenomenon with the left in the US (and other countries too, for that matter). Martin Luther King and civil rights through peaceful protests gave way to the Black Panthers and riots. Reasonable opposition to the Vietnam war turned into harassing returning soldiers. Calls for justice turned into calls for revolution, even among people who should really have known better. The way to be cool was to be more extreme, and moderates were not good guys (see the lyrics to Phil Ochs' Love Me, I'm a Liberal (http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/ochs-phil/love-me-im-a-liberal-11453.html) for a example of that thinking) and even moderate conservatives were considered extreme. I can remember otherwise intelligent people seriously talking about Nixon as a Fascist.

And as the movement got more extreme, it lost popular support and faded, even as enthusiastic and naive young radicals thought they were on the verge of overturning the old order completely. One result of the radicalization of the left was that increasing support for the modern conservative movement, started in the late '50s by William F. Buckley and the folks at the National Review (among other people). Eventually they managed to attract enough support from the center to come to power. The Weathermen and the Panthers were not the only cause of the Reagan Democrats, but they certainly were one major factor.

I think we’re seeing something like that right now with the right. The movement has gone through many stages, emerging triumphant in the ‘80s, but degenerating into the disastrous Bush presidency, and now we see almost exactly the same self-destructive spiral that we saw on the left in the ‘70s. The right is getting more and more extreme, more and more hysterical, more and more closed and self-referential. Those who read Ann Coulter and listen to Rush Limbaugh or Ron Paul are less and less likely to listen to anyone who disagrees. Moderates are not encouraged; the way Republican leaders have groveled at the feet of Mr. Limbaugh is embarrassing even to me

Perhaps political movements have a natural lifespan. It was 48 years from the election of FDR and the end of paleoconservatism in power in the US to the election of Ronald Reagan. The National Review was founded in 1955, and Barak Obama was elected 53 years later. (Here is Buckley’s initial editorial, BTW, it’s fascinating reading.) (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDJhYTJjNWI0MWFiODBhMDc2MzQwY2JlM2RhZjk5ZjM=) Perhaps it will come to violence, although I hope not; it certainly did in the ‘70s. But extremism does not sit well with the majority of Americans. Obama won by appealing to the center, and the right is doing nothing at all to win them back (and sorry, but shrill howls that Obama is really the extremist is NOT the way to do it), and they’re starting to frighten more and more people . It will be interesting to see what happens, but my opinion is that we’re seeing the death throes of the late 20th century conservative movement.

Captain Blight
09-20-2009, 08:55 AM
I'd like to add to that, Mr Wilson, by saying that the center itself has shifted to the right. So much so that Barry Goldwater would today be considered a fairly Centrist liberal.

Keith Wilson
09-20-2009, 09:00 AM
I'm not sure that's true - or at least not as much as you might think. What the right calls the center has certainly shifted, but that's not the same thing. Rush Limbaugh might call Goldwater a fairly centrist liberal (and he did get more moderate as he got older), but ratcheting up the rhetoric doesn't change reality.

pefjr
09-20-2009, 09:02 AM
I'd like to add to that, Mr Wilson, by saying that the center itself has shifted to the right. So much so that Barry Goldwater would today be considered a fairly Centrist liberal.
I'd like to subtract to that, Mr Wilson, everything that Cap't Blight just added.

huisjen
09-20-2009, 10:00 AM
Coulter has a recurring role in one of my favorite web comics.

http://www.sluggy.com/images/comics/090217a.gif

Dan

Cuyahoga Chuck
09-20-2009, 10:04 AM
Yep. She speaks to millions, and you disagree to dozens.

Oh wait. You haven't disagreed, just laid out personal insults.


There are rap stars that speak to more people than that. Do they sit higher on your ladder of intellectual importance?

huisjen
09-20-2009, 10:10 AM
http://www.sluggy.com/images/comics/090221e.gif
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downthecreek
09-20-2009, 10:14 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens, but my opinion is that we’re seeing the death throes of the late 20th century conservative movement.

Horribly easy to see what Professor Green is getting at.......

http://www.counterpunch.org/green09182009.html

Cuyahoga Chuck
09-20-2009, 10:22 AM
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How about when Maureen Dowd ups the racist card by saying she heard "boy"??..

Guess you didn't "blink" then.

O i guess she does it for the money too.?.

Maybe a tipping point may come when millions of hardworking tax paying Americans are tired of being called Teabaggers, Mobsters and nutcases and Nazis.

Maureen Dowd works for the New York Times. It has a worldwide reputation for excellence. There is very little up from there.
Dowd is where she is because very sohisticated people have determined she is very peceptive, often quite humorous and is a master stylist of the written word.
Ann Coulter works for I don't know who but I do know she makes her money by spouting very extreme positions that are meat and milk to a lot of Americans who think their way is the only way. Coulter has a horse that is a good runner and all she has to do is keep stuffing the same old oats down it's throat to keep the winnings coming in.