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Milo Christensen
09-06-2009, 05:33 PM
Michael Moore in his latest movie. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/09/director-michael-moore-now-wants-nothing-less-than-the-complete-overthrow-of-the-modern-capitalist-system--from-reuters-in.html)

This is just brilliant:




"Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil," the two-hour movie concludes. "You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy."


Well, that's another two hours I'm not wasting.

bobbys
09-06-2009, 05:39 PM
Dont look like he passes up to many capitalistic hamburger stands.

Tom Galyen
09-06-2009, 06:08 PM
Tell me Mike,

Is Michael Moore one of your overweight Republicans who are screwing up the medical system? He must be, with his physique, according to you, he certainly cannot be a Democratic Leftist. :) :)

Osborne Russell
09-06-2009, 08:54 PM
"Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil," the two-hour movie concludes. "You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy."

You could get a headache trying to decide, is this more ignorant, or more stupid, and at this point, is the distinction material?

bobbys
09-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Hey Pudgy. How's the economy up there?.

Like me you have absolutely no way of intelligently debating Milo on any point whatsoever.

Rather pathetic you resort to name calling to him..

Do you realize your embarrassing yourself??..

Or are you oblivious to it?

Shang
09-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Michael Moore in his latest movie. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/09/director-michael-moore-now-wants-nothing-less-than-the-complete-overthrow-of-the-modern-capitalist-system--from-reuters-in.html)

This is just brilliant:

Well, that's another two hours I'm not wasting.

It isn't clear from your post, have you seen the Michael Moore film or have you not? Is your opinion based only on the L.A. Times' review of the film?
If not, might it be a good idea to see the film before ridiculing it and posting your comments under the heading, "I refuse to live in a country like this -- and I'm not leaving." Are you truly ready to take up your single-shot .22 and take your place at the barricades to defend the rights of capitalism?

High C
09-06-2009, 10:43 PM
That's a transparently ridiculous thing for a man who has become wealthy under capitalism to say. He doesn't mean it, of course...just feeding the handful of chumps who think that way...and picking their pockets $8 at a time in the process.

Captain Blight
09-06-2009, 11:07 PM
MM is surprisingly subtle and unabashedly Red. He loathes the Right way more than I do, which is something. But he certainly doesn't have to hew to your standards of consistency. Nor are his fans unaware of who he is and what he does.

that doesn't make them stupid. Very important. Don't forget this.

downthecreek
09-07-2009, 03:12 AM
Perfectly reasonable statement from someone (anyone) who decides to devote their efforts to changing their country from within.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
09-07-2009, 04:37 AM
Perfectly reasonable statement from someone (anyone) who decides to devote their efforts to changing their country from within.

Snap!

Must be two nations divided by a common notion of representative democracy and freedom of speech.

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 04:40 AM
Pinata boy holds up his own personal pinata as a troll.

*I think you might call this "projection", Milo*.

So, I assume that....

You're in favour of American manufacturing jobs being outsourced to developing countries and the loss of 30,000 jobs in one town in Michigan, as an example. (Roger & Me).

You think there is a link between gun ownership and violence. You don't believe that the U.S has a statistically higher death rate from gun violence than any other country and you don't belive that U.S. culture & society has any effect on it's citizenry. (Bowling for Columbine)

You don't believe there is any business ties between the Bush family and the Saudis & you believe that when the U.S. goes to war the first people that sign up are the children of the wealthy. Also the people in the front lines are the kids of congressmen. (Farenheit 911)

You think the American healthcare system is just fine and no lessons can be learned by looking at other systems around the world (Sicko)

You think that Wall Street had no part in the recent financial collapse and you have absolutely no interest in how the bailout money is being spent or even how it is being used. (Capitalism: A Love Story)


We all know that MM is a lefty, commie, pinko, America hating barsteward with nothing to say. So why even bring it up?

Criticise Moores film making techniques all you want (although that would involve actually watching one). Personally I think it leaves something to be desired. But this chubby Anne Coulter persona you've adopted doesn't do you any favours.

:rolleyes:

jack grebe
09-07-2009, 05:32 AM
You think there is a link between gun ownership and violence.




well at least that statement is true........
as gun ownership goes up, violence from guns
goes down.
What punk is going to rob a corner store if 1/2
the people in there may be armed?

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 05:44 AM
well at least that statement is true........
as gun ownership goes up, violence from guns
goes down.
What punk is going to rob a corner store if 1/2
the people in there may be armed?

Actually, the first part of Bowling for Columbine concludes that there is not a link between gun ownership and gun crime, if you look at any other country. e.g. Canada, which at the time the film was made had @ 7 million registered firearms and only 100 gun related deaths a year.

jack grebe
09-07-2009, 06:23 AM
Actually, the first part of Bowling for Columbine concludes that there is not a link between gun ownership and gun crime,
I really don't care what Michael Moore has to say
on the subject. The only thing he appears to be
any kind of an expert on is Fast food.

So because you use this Moore guy to back up
himself, that make it fact?

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 06:38 AM
I really don't care what Michael Moore has to say
on the subject. The only thing he appears to be
any kind of an expert on is Fast food.

So because you use this Moore guy to back up
himself, that make it fact?

I rest my case, Your Honour.

If you had a reasonable critique of MMs films you would be more convincing. Unfortunately, the knee-jerk "I hate Michael Moore and don't care what he says" response says far more about you than anything else.

Got any other films you would like to discuss based on reading Milo's opinion of the director?



Now here’s a funny thing. When it comes to bailouts and influence peddling, Moore and I are ... oh I can’t say it. Come on, Mike. Man up. We’re ... on ... sort of ... maybe .. in a small way ... to some degree ... as far as it goes ... on ... well, not the same page. But at least we’re both reading books. How’s that? That OK?
Bailouts are disgusting and the conflict on interest between our former Secretary of the Treasury, the heads of Fanny/Freddie, Congress and Wall Street were repulsive. In the financial crisis, companies with political connections (or union payrolls) became “too big to fail” while companies without such pull were left to suck eggs. A good film-maker could produce a searing indictment.


From... http://www.moorewatch.com/

"Presents opposing views and facts to Michael Moore's public assumptions and assertions."

At least someone somewhere's got a couple of functioning brain cells.

:rolleyes:

Milo Christensen
09-07-2009, 07:01 AM
. . . I assume that. . . .

Try to use fewer assumptions next time.

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 07:11 AM
Try to use fewer assumptions next time.

I will, if you will.

:p

Milo Christensen
09-07-2009, 07:30 AM
Well, as an academic exercise, delineate the assumptions you're assuming I made in my original post.

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 07:42 AM
Well, as an academic exercise, delineate the assumptions you're assuming I made in my original post.

I assume you are not going to watch the film.


Well, that's another two hours I'm not wasting.

Based on a badly written review that assumes that documentary filmgoers are more interested in cats flushing toilets than the content of the film.

Although I feel pretty confident in assuming that you will have an opinion about it (the film, not the toilet flushing cats).

Milo Christensen
09-07-2009, 07:54 AM
Paste a gold star on your forehead and wear it proudly all day.

Still don't understand how my objection to Michael Moore leads to that really long list of absurd assumptions, though.

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 07:57 AM
http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Michael-Moore/michael-moore-2.jpg

Estimated Net Worth: $65 Million . . .

brad9798
09-07-2009, 08:03 AM
That's a transparently ridiculous thing for a man who has become wealthy under capitalism to say. He doesn't mean it, of course...just feeding the handful of chumps who think that way...and picking their pockets $8 at a time in the process.

Is there ANYTHING else about which to argue after this fine quote by High C? :confused:

If any MMoore supporter thinks so, they are simply drinking MMoore's Koo-Aid!
________________________________________________

Since when does some very wealthy, fat-a$$ed, fully-health/life/etc. insured ego-maniac get to be the end-all/be-all on our problems?

This amazes me. :rolleyes:
___________________
Next major US-based attack, I think I'll take the time to launch my film career! :D

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 08:14 AM
Still don't understand how my objection to Michael Moore leads to that really long list of absurd assumptions, though.

Quite simple really, it's a list of positions that are the antithesis of the themes of his films. The reasoning being that the "MM is an idiot with nothing to say" stance, means you must disagree with everything he does say. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to assume that those are your beliefs.

And High C, Paul Pless, jack grebe etc.

This is not to say that I think he is a good film-maker, but to dismiss the content of his films out of hand without watching them comes across as disingenuous.

James River Rat
09-07-2009, 08:18 AM
If you DO want to go see this tripe i'd suggest buying a ticket for a different movie and slipping into MM's. Believe me there will be plenty of seats available. No money for MM either!

Maybe he can get an NEA grant since they are getting into the propaganda scene!!

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 08:21 AM
And High C, Paul Pless, jack grebe etc.

This is not to say that I think he is a good film-maker, but to dismiss the content of his films out of hand without watching them comes across as disingenuous.The issue for me is that he attpresents his points in his films through dishonest methods; and often the results are dishonest. From all apprearances, it would appear to be the case here as well.

Milo Christensen
09-07-2009, 08:25 AM
Always instructive to have a look into a liberals mind attempting to think logically and failing spectacularly.

Let's rewind and go back up to the top. What was my comment to this:




"Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil," the two-hour movie concludes. "You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy."


I said it was brilliant. Obviously sarcasm, yes?

Describe to me how you replace an economic system (Capitalism) with a political system (Democracy)? Disingenuous indeed. The replacement MM wants for Capitalism is Socialism.

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 08:29 AM
of course he wants democracy...he has already made 65 million by herding the mob around...in this case he is promoting capitalism by demanding democracy

Joe (SoCal)
09-07-2009, 08:30 AM
OK here's the deal MM makes some funny / thought provoking films that catch people at their worst or most cringe funny ( Rabbits - pets or food ;) )

His films are the poster child for Limbaugh lunatics to point at his fatness and money making hypocrisy while forgetting that their very own deity is a fat, pill poppin, money making propaganda machine himself.

The thing is through the admittedly somewhat skewed lens of MM we get at time a sincere look at what people are honestly thinking. Bowling for Columbine had me just shaking my head at the gun lust ignorance of some people. Yet I was also deeply offended by MM gonzo attack on an obviously ailing Charlton Heston.

But love him or hate him MM does make some compelling films. Roger & Me was a turning point in most documentary's most would agree.

Anyway he's good at getting the repugs all lathered up and thats just fun to watch anyway :)

Tylerdurden
09-07-2009, 08:31 AM
In my neck of the woods we call his kind Patriots for profit.

Let him risk his arse once say Iraq or Afghanistan or go after things we don't have ready access to like the rampant criminality of government today. Sibel Edmonds could use some light.

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 08:34 AM
OK here's the deal MM makes some funny / thought provoking films that catch people at their worst or most cringe funny ( Rabbits - pets or food ;) )

His films are the poster child for Limbaugh lunatics to point at his fatness and money making hypocrisy while forgetting that their very own deity is a fat, pill poppin, money making propaganda machine himself.

The thing is through the admittedly somewhat skewed lens of MM we get at time a sincere look at what people are honestly thinking. Bowling for Columbine had me just shaking my head at the gun lust ignorance of some people. Yet I was also deeply offended by MM gonzo attack on an obviously ailing Charlton Heston.

But love him or hate him MM does make some compelling films. Roger & Me was a turning point in most documentary's most would agree.

Anyway he's good at getting the repugs all lathered up and thats just fun to watch anyway :)Just like Sacha Baron Cohen.

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 08:47 AM
The issue for me is that he attpresents his points in his films through dishonest methods. From all apprearances, it would appear to be the case here as well.

An interesting if somewhat confusing statement, have you seen it? if not, how do you know it's dishonest?

I realise that MM produces strong emotions in some people. But I think this is more a reflection of your dislike of him as a person and the way he comes across, rather than what he's actually trying to say.

For example, Roger & Me is recognised as one of the first documentaries that highlighted the (then, 1989) growing trend of outsourcing American manufacturing to developing countries. Something I'm sure you dislike as much as he does, you just don't like the way he said it.

That's not to say he hasn't made some huge mistakes, the "ambushing" of Charlton Heston in the early stages of Altzheimers (unknown at the time) was one that didn't do him any favours.

For me his films are pretty much a mixed bag, but I do think he brings up some points that are worthy of discussion.

But, in a climate where the right seem to be getting more and more extreme in their posturing it doesn't surprise me that someone would dismiss a film they haven't seen as "tripe".

Disappointing but not surprising.

C. Ross
09-07-2009, 08:54 AM
Perfectly reasonable statement from someone (anyone) who decides to devote their efforts to changing their country from within.

I assume you mean the quote: "I refuse to live in a country like this -- and I'm not leaving." That's actually quite brilliant, and I agree.

The other quote posted by Milo: "Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil," the two-hour movie concludes. "You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy."

Mr. Moore, like all polemicists, is really good at simple statements that sound good but make no sense. If you take it apart:

"Capitalism is an evil" Sez Mr. Moore, I'd disagree, but that's OK

"you cannot regulate evil" Really? Plenty of laws and regulations on the books around the world to do just so.

"You have to eliminate it" OK. With what? Democracy. Hunh. Does Democracy imply any particular form of economic organization? Will there still be private enterprise under your new democracy, or will the state control the economy? What is it about capitalism that is evil? People working for wages? Private control of enterprise? What specifically?

"something that is good for all people" Righteous. I can get behind that.

"and that something is democracy" Why not "Motherhood"? or "apple pie"? or "sex"?

I would oppose but respect Mr. Moore if he had said what he probably meant, and that's "Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil." You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is socialism."

Pugwash
09-07-2009, 09:02 AM
Moore is adamant that capitalism is not the way forward, but struggles to offer a real alternative for how the economy could be run, or a way to convince people they do not need so much money to buy "stuff".
He does advocate shared ownership of companies in the form of co-operatives, showing a handful of businesses where this has been a success.
So with so much information thrown at the audience in the film, and giving only his side of the argument, what does Moore hope people will take away from the movie?
"I hope the people will start to wake up a bit and see that they are participating in something that is causing them a lot of harm."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8241293.stm

LeeG
09-07-2009, 09:14 AM
Just like Sacha Baron Cohen.

I don't see people running next to Tour de France racers in Michael Moore costumes but do see them in Borat ball sack bathing suits and wigs.

downthecreek
09-07-2009, 09:17 AM
I assume you mean the quote: "I refuse to live in a country like this -- and I'm not leaving." That's actually quite brilliant, and I agree.



Yes, that is what I mean. As to the rest, I have no comment, as I know very little about Michael Moore.

jack grebe
09-07-2009, 10:00 AM
http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Michael-Moore/michael-moore-2.jpg

Estimated Net Worth: $65 Million . . .
That's alot of Whoppers:eek:.
I wonder if he orders them with that
imitation cheese food product:rolleyes:

Rigadog
09-07-2009, 10:39 AM
I love how we make fun of people's appearances rather than have a discussion about the need to reign in Capitalism and discuss Capitalism's ascension to the status of a major Religion/philosophy. And maybe people should see the movie before spouting and pontificating on it's qualities.
I saw "Sicko" and thought it was a thought provoking film, and really quite well done. I haven't seen this one yet, but will before I discuss its merits or lack of.

Osborne Russell
09-07-2009, 10:45 AM
Yeah, the capitalism is evil part was the dumb part.

The other part -- "I refuse to live in a country like this -- and I'm not leaving." -- is actually a good illustration of what I'm trying to say, i.e. that Americans are in permanent existential angst because of the lack of an ethnic and/or mythological identity. They try to invent one, run it up the flagpole, and it gets shot to hell.

Other people drop the effort to construct a mythological identity, but then what? As Milo has asked. Off to the library to read the Federalist Papers and the letters of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams? Hah!

All across the political spectrum there is insecurity and dread because we've allowed to have the debate about what America is supposed to be. Most say they need money too badly and haven't the time. Others say its in bad taste because it implies that some Americans aren't Americans, and further, that the reason in many cases is the narrowness of their self-interest. Things are getting way too close to home at that point, game over.

The problems of society continue to press. The price of fuel goes up and we get attacked by Islamic fundamentalists. Jobs go, crime comes. The rich get richer. Politics becomes a theater of the absurd.

Well, all I can say is . . ."I refuse to live in a country like this -- and I'm not leaving."

Captain Blight
09-07-2009, 10:49 AM
If he were slender and clean-shaven and a snappy dresser, he'd get a much different reaction. I really think that people react to him on a visceral level based largely on his appearance.

What he's really good at is telling the truth with a good bit of topspin on it. Propoganda, sure, except it's not coming from the Gubbimint. It's coming from a private citizen with the money to make his voice heard. He stands up for what he believes in, and defends it with vigor. Isn't that the American way? Isn't that what Miss Coulter and GLenn Beck do? Why is it okay for Limbaugh to do this on a day-to-day basis (Actually, Moore would never abandon truth for the unknown country the way Rush does) but not for Moore to make a move every few years?

C'mon, guys. Criticize all you want, but be fair about it.

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 11:21 AM
C'mon, guys. Criticize all you want, but be fair about it.

you first

ljb5
09-07-2009, 11:22 AM
Describe to me how you replace an economic system (Capitalism) with a political system (Democracy)?

Perhaps the answer to that question is revealed in the movie you refuse to watch. :rolleyes:


The replacement MM wants for Capitalism is Socialism.

Now you're the one making assumptions.

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 11:24 AM
I love how we make fun of people's appearances ...

have you ever listened to MMike and others here talk about Coulter...skinny?

oznabrag
09-07-2009, 11:49 AM
have you ever listened to MMike and others here talk about Coulter...skinny?

You've never heard me talk about Coulter!

The principal reason for that is that if I got wound up on her, I could vilify, lambaste and excoriate her (along with anybody who has been duped by her brutal intellectual dishonesty and her innate hatred for America), yes Sir, If I were to go off on that...'person' it may take a good three or four pages, and I would likely be banned after the first paragraph.

So no, you've never heard me talk about 'her'. :D

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 01:32 PM
Ann Coulter is the only skinny red of them all and she's got nuts and an adams apple.

and you don't think you're being...inconsistant...?

bobbys
09-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Ann Coulter is the only skinny red of them all and she's got nuts and an adams apple..

I wont insult the other liberals here as some can at least present an argument plus some have guns but Ann has a bigger set then you.:D

bobbys
09-07-2009, 01:41 PM
and you don't think you're being...inconsistant...?.

Hes being consistent.

The subject was M M oore and he went off on his rants about someone else.

Thats what he always does.:D

Captain Blight
09-07-2009, 02:04 PM
you first
Well, I think I'm about as fair about it as a gun-owning, Red-tinged, military-veteran liberal can be. Life's complicated, and sometimes I get tuned up. At the end of the day, though, I think it's simplistic bordering on dumb to blame all the trouble in the country on one political party or another. We are all neighbors, and we need to learn to get along.

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 02:06 PM
thank you captain

jack grebe
09-07-2009, 02:09 PM
I think it's simplistic bordering on dumb to blame all the trouble in the country on one political party or another. We are all neighbors, and we need to learn to get along.
What are you smokin:confused::rolleyes::D.

No really, if we all learned to get along, what would we talk about?

T. Traddles
09-07-2009, 02:55 PM
We are all neighbors, and we need to learn to get along., he says with a threatening glare as he levers a round into the chamber and scans the faces in the crowd, daring anyone to question his authority. :D

Captain Blight
09-07-2009, 03:10 PM
There is no lever. ;)

Though there certainly is a component of that in my philosophy: Play nice or I'll crush you like a grape!!.


And, writ large, is exactly what leads to nationalistic fervor. At the least, I'm aware of it and do my best to keep it to just a minimum. But, as said before, being human is a complicated thing sometimes.

Captain Blight
09-07-2009, 03:20 PM
There are fat liberals too, Mike. Have you seen the backsides on some of those Lesbians?!?

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 03:42 PM
What makes you think those lesbos are liberals?cheney's daughter lives across the street from you???:eek::eek:

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 04:04 PM
Truth is they're backward racist pigs, not unlike some of the posters here who didn't vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.

who do you assume that to be?

bobbys
09-07-2009, 04:38 PM
Truth is they're backward racist pigs, not unlike some of the posters here who didn't vote for Obama because of the color of his skin..

Now the liberal lesbos are racist pigs too???.

Well i have to admire you you dont play favorites!!!!:D

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Who do you assume to be the leftist liberals that you have been bad mouthing on this forum for the past few months?

On Michael Moore:

His films and every segment of his films are factual. That's what you pudgy boys can't stand because you can't dispute fact, where as everything that comes out of the mouths of people like Rush Limbaugh are nothing but lies and distortion. It can all be disputed and proven wrong. It's all designed to play on the minds of the ignorant and a lot {most} of you eat it up.

Jesus it's good not to be walking around in fear.Mike...lies are often FULL of facts...

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 04:59 PM
from the distant past, an example of facts with generally assumed lies:

(first FACT)Trip shot Phillip...many would assume that Phillip is now dead (second FACT--Phillip is not dead) The second fact counters the assumption lead into by the first fact...both are facts

Phillip survived being shot...assumption of serious wound (second FACT, there was hardley any wound at all...it was a BB gun) The second fact counters the assumption lead into by the first fact

facts are without weight unless accompanied by the truth

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Accomplished liars are practiced at selecting facts to lead the unwary toward a specific conclusion...omitting facts that might lead away from that same conclusion

The result is still a lie

I have observed this for years and frequently the fact-liar is someone who prides himself in being able to "herd" the mob into the loading pens and arriving at the conclusions which support their agendas...they would love democracy on all levels because it releases the mob to more direct herding...

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 05:41 PM
Now you've started digging your hole again, Phillip. You're trying to sound like the intellectual that you aren't. Who are the leftists that you've spoken of so much recently. Disprove anything in a Michael Moore film. Make me a believer. Hell, I'll shut up now as far as you are concerned. LJB5 makes you look like enough of a fool without me piling on.

Mike...the Emporer has no clothes

I'm not a doctor but can still tell if I am very sick...to argue that I must prove I'm sick by showing credentials as an MD is no argument...it's a cop-out

ell-jay makes me look like a fool to those who believe his fact-lies...I am not as skilled at that sort of stuff primarily because I don't predicate my life on winning the "game" he plays) but that does not mean he doesn't do it just the same...you may be taken in but I am not...you are the reason he wants a democracy...to counter people like me and cut us out of the process..."head em up"

bobbys
09-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Now you've started digging your hole again, Phillip. You're trying to sound like the intellectual that you aren't. Who are the leftists that you've spoken of so much recently? Disprove anything in a Michael Moore film. Make me a believer. Hell, I'll shut up now as far as you are concerned. LJB5 makes you look like enough of a fool without me piling on....

>>>Now you've started digging your hole again, Phillip. You're trying to sound like the intellectual that you aren't.<<<<.

He "owned" you but thats not saying much, Plus he never called anyone fat..

>>Hell, I'll shut up now as far as you are concerned..<<<<

At least you know when you have been bested, Or does this mean your gonna try and herd out weaker prey?.

>>> LJB5 makes you look like enough of a fool without me piling on.[/quote]...<<<.

Well i have never seen him hound dog anyone unless they talked to him first, Dont try and ride his coattails..

:D

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 05:51 PM
...

>>>Now you've started digging your hole again, Phillip. You're trying to sound like the intellectual that you aren't.<<<<.

He "owned" you but thats not saying much, Plus he never called anyone fat..

>>Hell, I'll shut up now as far as you are concerned..<<<<

At least you know when you have been bested, Or does this mean your gonna try and herd out weaker prey?.

>>> LJB5 makes you look like enough of a fool without me piling on....<<<.

Well i have never seen him hound dog anyone unless they talked to him first, Dont try and ride his coattails..

:D[/QUOTE]

now take it easy...I believe Mike would put his back against mine in a fight...I don't forget things like that...he's a good man, if a bit confused from time to time

oznabrag
09-07-2009, 06:09 PM
...



>>Hell, I'll shut up now as far as you are concerned..<<<<

At least you know when you have been bested, Or does this mean your gonna try and herd out weaker prey?.

:D

Mike said that he'd shut up if he could be shown that any part of a Michael Moore film was fiction.

It isn't. Not any part of it. Michael Moore cannot afford to actually spread lies because he knows that he's going to be accused of lying by those who are addicted to living a lie. Accusing Moore of lying is simply the first stage of dying (denial) for those who predicate their patriotism on the idea that the US doesn't have to play by the rules because we can beat up any other kid on the planet. They live a whole lot of other lies tied in with American Exceptionalism and a wretched, inhuman, Calvinist morality.

Even though Mr. Moore has amassed a fortune of 65M, he cannot afford to actually spread lies because he knows that he's going to be accused of lying by those who supply the addictions of those addicted to living a lie. His enemies piss away 65M before breakfast.

None of this means that Moore is correct. What it means is that he has formed a world view, and has the facts to back it up.

The single most disturbing thing about politics in the US today, is that we seem to be conditioned to regard anyone with ideas not our own as the Antichrist.

There is an African folktale that involves a lion having killed a large herbivore and being challenged for possession of the feast by a Leopard. The two fight each other to exhaustion, and a Hyena waltzes in and drags the corpse away without any interference.

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 06:25 PM
One last thing. Have you ever even seen a Michael Moore film, Phillip or are you basing your opinion entirely on speculation?

I have no (narrow) opinion on Moore but I do have suspicions...those are based on what reaches my ears

I do not go to movies I think might stress me...I reserve them for entertainment and occasionally for reasons I cannot articulate...the absolute LAST thing I want is to pay 8 or 12 dollars and then come out upset

bobbys
09-07-2009, 06:26 PM
Mike said that he'd shut up if he could be shown that any part of a Michael Moore film was fiction.

It isn't. Not any part of it. Michael Moore cannot afford to actually spread lies because he knows that he's going to be accused of lying by those who are addicted to living a lie. Accusing Moore of lying is simply the first stage of dying (denial) for those who predicate their patriotism on the idea that the US doesn't have to play by the rules because we can beat up any other kid on the planet. They live a whole lot of other lies tied in with American Exceptionalism and a wretched, inhuman, Calvinist morality.

Even though Mr. Moore has amassed a fortune of 65M, he cannot afford to actually spread lies because he knows that he's going to be accused of lying by those who supply the addictions of those addicted to living a lie. His enemies piss away 65M before breakfast.

None of this means that Moore is correct. What it means is that he has formed a world view, and has the facts to back it up.

The single most disturbing thing about politics in the US today, is that we seem to be conditioned to regard anyone with ideas not our own as the Antichrist.

There is an African folktale that involves a lion having killed a large herbivore and being challenged for possession of the feast by a Leopard. The two fight each other to exhaustion, and a Hyena waltzes in and drags the corpse away without any interference..

Yes thank you for some very good points.

I dunno want to really talk to mike but he kept tawking to me so i figure he gets sore if i dont!!!:D

C. Ross
09-07-2009, 07:08 PM
Michael Moore has ditto-heads? Here on the forum? Who knew!?

Limbaugh and Moore have about the same grip on truth. As far as I can tell, Limbaugh lies every day and Moore once every couple of years.

But you gotta admit, Moore's production values are much, much higher, and his apologists are prettier and more likely to be seen in a feature film.

Phillip Allen
09-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Michael Moore has ditto-heads? Here on the forum? Who knew!?

Limbaugh and Moore have about the same grip on truth. As far as I can tell, Limbaugh lies every day and Moore once every couple of years.

But you gotta admit, Moore's production values are much, much higher, and his apologists are prettier and more likely to be seen in a feature film.

:) .

Paul Pless
09-07-2009, 07:17 PM
> :D