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Tylerdurden
09-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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According to a Psychology Today hit piece written by psychologist John Gartner, people prone to thinking that powerful men might actually get together and plan to maintain and advance their power are borderline psychotics who are a danger to society. In reality, hundreds of years of history has taught us that psychologists routinely aid authoritarian regimes in enforcing tyrannical and inhumane policies while helping them crush political opposition by defining suspicion of authorities as a mental illness.

As we highlighted in our article yesterday, psychologists in the Soviet Union were used to stifle free speech by classifying skepticism and political opposition to the state as a mental illness, which is precisely the implication littered throughout Gartner’s crass hit piece (http://prisonplanet.com/images/september2009/020909pt.pdf).
In the former Soviet Union, psikhushkas — mental hospitals — were used by the state as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally. The Soviet state began using mental hospitals to punish dissidents in 1939 under Stalin.
According to official Soviet psychiatry and the Moscow Serbsky Institute at the time, “ideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure.” Treatment for this special political schizophrenia included various forms of restraint, electric shocks, electromagnetic torture, radiation torture, lumbar punctures, various drugs — such as narcotics, tranquilizers, and insulin — and beatings. Anne Applebaum, author of Gulag: A History, indicates that at least 365 sane people were treated for “politically defined madness,” although she surmises there were many more.
The profession of psychology blossoms under tyrannical regimes, as is explored in Ulfried Geuter’s The Professionalization of Psychology in Nazi Germany (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nG9TDItv-QQC&dq=role%2Bof%2Bpsychologists%2Bin%2Bnazi%2Bgermany&source=gbs_navlinks_s). Under Hitler’s Third Reich, the relationship between the ruling Nazi thugs and psychologists was close and mutually beneficial. People like Nazi psychologist Robert Ritter, Ph. D. (http://reference.findtarget.com/search/Robert%20Ritter/) (pictured top) were instrumental in persecuting minorities and enforcing eugenicist policies of genocide.
“From Nazi Germany, South Africa, Russia and the former Yugoslavia, to Iraq today, psychiatry has been and/or remains a key player. In fact, the marriage between authoritarian government and psychiatry is as old as psychiatry itself,” writes Jan Eastgate, International President, Citizens Commission on Human Rights, “In the 1800s, Germany’s militaristic “Iron Chancellor,” Otto von Bismarck, utilized psychiatry to influence and control whole populations in order to fulfill his dreams of conquest through war.”





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In his book Dangerous Minds: Political Psychiatry in China Today and Its Origins in the Mao Era, praised as “eloquent and convincing” in a New York Times Review of Books piece (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16082), author Robert Munro exposes how psychiatrists and psychologists continue to be at the forefront of the brutal Communist Chinese system of ascribing mental illnesses to those who express even mildly negative political opinions towards the ruling Party.
The book reveals how, “From the 1950s onward not only Chinese dissidents but people who submitted petitions to the authorities have been detained by the police, examined by psychiatrists, and found to be criminally insane—or, if found mentally “normal,” designated as criminals to be cast into the prison system.”
An official Chinese police designation for those worthy of “psychiatric custody” cited by Munro lists people who write anti-government letters, make anti-government speeches or those who merely express opinions on important domestic and international affairs that could be considered anti-government.

But the use of psychologists in the pursuit of inhumane policies is not just resigned to tyrannical regimes of the first half of the 20th century.

Recent revelations surrounding the torture scandal highlight the role of psychologists in what the Physicians for Human Rights organization alleges amounted to “unlawful human experimentation” and torture on inmates at Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram and other U.S. detention sites.

“PHR says health professionals participated at every stage in the development, implementation and legal justification of what it calls the CIA’s secret “torture programme,” reports the London Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/02/cia-usa).

Doctors and psychologists actively monitored CIA torture techniques and helped evaluate their effectiveness, a “violation of core ethical values” according to the American Medical Association and a flagrant abuse of the 1947 Nuremberg Code, which forbids experimentation on humans without their consent.

The CIA’s close relationship with psychologists and psychiatrists in conducting illegal torture programs stretches back decades.

“Historian Alfred W. McCoy has shed light in this area in his recent book A Question of Torture and in numerous articles and interviews,” writes Stephen Soldz (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14329.htm). “He documents the decades-long CIA effort to utilized psychological expertise to develop forms of torture that could break down the personality of detainees, rendering them, it was hoped, incapable of withholding desired information. Many of these technique were utilized during the Vietnam conflict and in the various brutal U.S.-supported counterinsurgency campaigns in Latin American in the 1970s and 1980s.”

While Psychology Today’s John Gartner cites a single example of a “conspiracy theorist” who voiced support for Alex Jones entering Bohemian Grove armed with guns, and uses it to make the implication that “conspiracy thinking” is a major threat to society, documented history stretching back hundreds of years shows that psychologists, and particularly their tactic of classifying suspicion of authorities and “conspiracy thinking” as a mental illness, have played a key role in preserving the power of dictatorial elites and helping them to carry out inhumane practices while crushing free speech and legitimate political opposition.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/why-psychologists-are-infinitely-more-dangerous-than-conspiracy-theorists.html

The piece in question here...

http://prisonplanet.com/images/september2009/020909pt.pdf

JBreeze
09-03-2009, 04:35 PM
And more disease will soon be added!:

"...The American Psychiatric Association risks losing sight of that distinction by grimly—and rather inexpertly—debating whether avid shopping should be considered a sign of mental illness. The fifth edition of the association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is expected in 2012. The APA isn't just deciding the fate of shopaholics; it's also debating whether overuse of the Internet, "excessive" sexual activity, apathy, and even prolonged bitterness should be viewed, quite seriously, as brain "disorders." If you spend hours online, have sex more frequently than aging psychiatrists, and moan incessantly that the federal government can't account for all its TARP funds, take heed: You may soon be classed among the 48 million Americans the APA already considers mentally ill.....

(this next paragraph is important)

In its effort to increase diagnostic sensitivity," Spitzer and Frances conclude, the DSM-V task force "has been insensitive to the great risks of false positives, of medicalizing normality, and of trivializing the whole concept of psychiatric diagnosis." These are remarkable accusations from two men who, between them, oversaw the formal approval of more than 150 mental disorders in two-dozen years."

DSM - the full employment act for folks (PhDs and MSWs) who couldn't get into med. school.:D

Osborne Russell
09-03-2009, 04:44 PM
"If you're well adjusted to this mess, you're sick" -- once said in irony.

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 04:44 PM
We know you are not dangerous.
Watching the Truthers the other night, I thought they were generally quite impotent.
Another element of American society that has routed haywire to be laughed at.

This is a weirdly self-indulgent thread.
Look at me!!!!

Tylerdurden
09-03-2009, 05:11 PM
We know you are not dangerous.
Watching the Truthers the other night, I thought they were generally quite impotent.
Another element of American society that has routed haywire to be laughed at.

This is a weirdly self-indulgent thread.
Look at me!!!!

I am sorry, do you have anything to add, and argument maybe.
Counter to any of the known facts stated in the article?

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 05:20 PM
I am sorry, do you have anything to add,

Don't be sorry.

I did add:

Watching the Truthers the other night, I thought they were generally quite impotent.

You must have missed my agreement on the subject.

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 05:45 PM
If the shrink's wife had been "cold" imagine the horrible twists this young man's life might have taken?

seanz
09-03-2009, 05:59 PM
While Psychology Today’s John Gartner cites a single example of a “conspiracy theorist” who voiced support for Alex Jones entering Bohemian Grove armed with guns, and uses it to make the implication that “conspiracy thinking” is a major threat to society, documented history stretching back hundreds of years shows that psychologists, and particularly their tactic of classifying suspicion of authorities and “conspiracy thinking” as a mental illness, have played a key role in preserving the power of dictatorial elites and helping them to carry out inhumane practices while crushing free speech and legitimate political opposition


As the Iraq war was started by a conspiracy......perhaps we need another term for conspiracy theorists.
Maybe Alternative Conspiracy Theorist?

And another thing before Mark deletes this thread......some of his links and C&Ps have been a bit more sane and thought provoking than usual but the response to them appears to be the same.
Why is that?

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 06:07 PM
Why is that?

I'll defer to TD. He'll tell you he is always five steps ahead of his audience.

johnw
09-03-2009, 06:10 PM
C'mon Chris. Cut the guy a break. You must've missed his thread about why he has issues with shrinks.



I don't think I'll comment on this thread, unless Mark wants me to.
I think we all had some idea why Mark has issues with shrinks even without the biographical detail, but thanks.

Mark, pretty much any field of endeavor can be used for the wrong ends. Physics, criminology, dentistry, you name it. Most of us manage to oppose the abuse of human knowledge without being afraid of whole fields of knowledge. Try to get your existential terror under control.

Tylerdurden
09-03-2009, 07:05 PM
I don't completely understand why Ian thinks he needs to post that story a number of times each week.
Maybe because he didn't get laid until he paid for it or he had to settle for someone who would let his ugly arse on top?
It certainly seems to come from some type of perverse thought.

Is it the fact I defended my mother's honor? Was you mother indefensible or were you so enamored with authority you would have sold her out for your own gain?

Is it because I used Violence? or because you have always been afraid to?

I certainly must have learned to control it because I have no criminal record. Is it the fact I have grown and you stayed with a teenager mentality?

I am fine with it Ian, Its the truth and a part of me. The fact you think my experiences as a youth should bear against me here on the forum is only a clear indication of your sickness in thought and a clearly imature mind and morality.

Tylerdurden
09-03-2009, 07:08 PM
If the shrink's wife had been "cold" imagine the horrible twists this young man's life might have taken?

And this man works as a counselor?

JimD
09-03-2009, 07:10 PM
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... powerful men might actually get together and plan to maintain and advance their power...

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Naw. It could never happen. Yer crazy.

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 07:28 PM
And this man works as a counselor?

This man thrives as a treatment provider, agency director and swell business man.

Here, I work for truth, justice and the American way and I have a bunch of wood boats.

You will find me not counseling or dragging other personal obsession mountains here to enlighten this audience.

Tylerdurden
09-03-2009, 07:32 PM
This man thrives as a treatment provider, agency director and swell business man.

Here, I work for truth, justice and the American way and I have a bunch of wood boats.

You will find me not counseling or dragging other personal obsession mountains here to enlighten this audience.


We have heard of providers thriving before. Its the recipients we care about and worry for.

Chris Coose
09-03-2009, 07:41 PM
Care to come over for dinner? We've got some divine salsa with fresh tomatoes, some fava beans and a very nice chianti.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjGpcEA-FyE

My clinical supervisor

http://img.youtube.com/vi/iVlkZVAw8Gc/default.jpg?

stevebaby
09-03-2009, 08:31 PM
As the Iraq war was started by a conspiracy......perhaps we need another term for conspiracy theorists.
Maybe Alternative Conspiracy Theorist?

And another thing before Mark deletes this thread......some of his links and C&Ps have been a bit more sane and thought provoking than usual but the response to them appears to be the same.
Why is that?"Boy who cried "Wolf" syndrome, treatable with electro-shock therapy.

seanz
09-03-2009, 09:11 PM
I'll defer to TD. He'll tell you he is always five steps ahead of his audience.

A stunning example of cyber-dickery......you really should know better.
;)

Stevebaby; if you tell people that there was a conspiracy and a cover-up involving the 9/11 attacks they will look at you like you
are crazy.
:eek:;)

Milo Christensen
09-03-2009, 09:16 PM
. . . if you tell people that there was a conspiracy and a cover-up involving the 9/11 attacks they will look at you like you
are crazy.
:eek:;)

Or, hire you to be the Green Jobs Czar and advise President Obama on transforming our society.