William Gardner sloop lines

[Emmett Smith]

I am trying to find or estimate a set of lines for the Thousand Islands One-Design sloop designed by William Gardner in 1912 (see Maynard Bray's book 'Designs to Inspire' p 15 or Rudder Sept. 1912 p132). We want to build a reproduction of this boat which has not been seen on the water in 70 years.

The TI One-Design is a 26' LOA / 16'9 LWL gaff-rigged sloop with a partial keel carrying lead ballast and a centerboard; shallow draft for the shoal waters of the Thousand Islands. Originally built by Leyare of Ogdensburg.

Apparently very little of Gardner's drawings have survived. If anyone has any info on lines for this boat or any other sleek Gardner sloop (not the International Star - has hard chines) I would be very interested!

[Emmett Smith]

Anybody?

[Yeadon]

Give them time, Junior Member Smith.

[Yeadon]

Here's something on the forum about a "Thousand Islands One Design," though the fellow says it is an Alden design.

Here. (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=12357)

[Paul Pless]

Maynard Bray's book 'Designs to Inspire'That book, which you referenced, has an extensive bibliography that should have reference to the location of the lines plan that you are looking for.

[Emmett Smith]

Thanks all,

Yeah, the Alden TI One-Design is a different boat. We got those suckers. Basically the same as an Alden O-boat.

The drawings in Bray's book are just out of Rudder Magazine. They show a side profile, top profile, midship section. The major information that is missing is the lines for an aft of midships, the shape of the hull itself. If we had the lines of another Gardner sloop to compare -a Victory maybe, or a Larchmont O, or even Vanitie- we could maybe draw up an intelligent set of lines that would be accurate to Gardner's style.

[Yeadon]

http://books.google.com/books?id=kcI6AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA132&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U26W5931wCy3zXvx8nDyKLXjG6p0g&ci=533%2C190%2C413%2C520&edge=0

It says the Thousand Island Yacht Club (http://tiyc.ncf.ca/index.html) commissioned the plans. Do you suppose they have a historian who could point you the right way, or a library with the plans? (Or are they the ones trying to recreate the boat?)

http://books.google.com/books?id=kcI6AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA132&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U26W5931wCy3zXvx8nDyKLXjG6p0g&ci=112%2C705%2C851%2C493&edge=0
http://books.google.com/books?id=kcI6AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA134&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U03CajqbL-0lR03oInVh7Jizm-uRw&ci=29%2C12%2C959%2C674&edge=0

I just figured out how to copy images out of Google Books, and cannot be stopped.

[Paul Pless]

I just figured out how to copy images out of Google Books, and cannot be stopped.


Dude... I've been trying to figure that out myself, how'd you do it?

[Yeadon]

Just above the image of the page there is a button/icon that say "Clip." Click that, then lasso the area of the page you need. It'll give you a url that you can use to post the picture.

It's gonna be a whole new world now, Paul.

[johnw]

Weren't most of Gardner's lines lost? It might be that the only remaining plans are those in Rudder.

[Emmett Smith]

Thanks for posting those, Tim,

I didn't know the old Rudders were on Google! That right there is pretty much all the concrete info we have, save a couple other old photographs and some memoirs of sailing them up into the 1940s.

The Thousand Islands Yacht Club lost most of their records in a mid-century fire, and what remains has yet to be gone through. It is possible that something may turn up from there, but for the moment it is a dead end. Same goes for the builder's yard in Ogdensburg.

We sort of have three possibilities now:
1) Hope that someone comes up with the lines from a totally unexpected vector (current plan).
2) Try to find / raise one of the originals which we know was scuppered and roughly where (probably more adventurous than productive).
3) Draw a set of lines ourselves using what information we have from the Rudder and the lines of other Gardner boats from the same period.

[Emmett Smith]

PS - The TIYC you linked to is different than the one that commissioned these boats. The old TIYC, which was a very important and active club from about 1890-1930, is no more. Its burgee was a white field with three evenly spaced
vertical red bars.

[johnw]

I just figured out how to copy images out of Google Books, and cannot be stopped.
So, tell me how!

[johnw]

I just figured out how to copy images out of Google Books, and cannot be stopped.
So, tell me how!

All I can think to do is save a screen shot.

[Yeadon]

So, tell me how!

All I can think to do is save a screen shot.

See post No. 9 for further instruction.

[johnw]

Thanks, tim, I guess we cross-posted.