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pefjr
09-02-2009, 09:41 AM
A huge state. I drove it from east to west and back several times. The first trip I had two flats on the way, gas was 19 to 22 cents a gallon. Hwy 80 went straight through downtown Dallas then, it was a hot July. Took me a couple days as I recall.

The east is Pine tree forest which gives way to stumpy oaks, to flat plains, to desert, to mountains in the west.

This state, once occupied by 20 odd Native tribes, is now all grown up and wants to secede. 160 yrs ago they were begging to enter to United Sates and now they have changed their mind.

Texas is an native word for amigo. Some Texas you are, desert us when we need ya.

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 09:56 AM
I see you still have a knack for vapid, inflammatory basura.

17 people in this State want to secede. The rest of us have a plan to simply deport them to the Southermost reaches of Tierra del Fuego. Perhaps, if we're lucky, you can join them there!

Keith Wilson
09-02-2009, 10:08 AM
160 yrs ago they were begging to enter to United Sates and now they have changed their mind. Nah, just a few nuts. Texas will no more secede then Alaska will, or North Dakota. What you are seeing is the disintegration of the conservative movement that William F. Buckley and some others started at the National Review in the late '50s/early '60s. It's caught in a feedback loop like the left was in the 1970s, embracing its own extremists and getting farther and farther from reality. I remember people who really should have known better talking about how Nixon was a Fascist, and the "Obama is a socialist" crap is the mirror image. The excesses of the '60s and '70s drove a large number of people in the political center into the Republican camp, and the excesses of the right today show every indication of driving them back. The problem is very deep, for one cannot have effective conservative politics that is hostile to the very idea of governance. This isn't conservatism, but a variety of anarchism. It won't be solved until conservatives manage to develop some coherent positive ideas of how government should behave.

pefjr
09-02-2009, 10:40 AM
I see you still have a knack for vapid, inflammatory basura.

17 people in this State want to secede. The rest of us have a plan to simply deport them to the Southermost reaches of Tierra del Fuego. Perhaps, if we're lucky, you can join them there!

Texas(thats injun for amigo), I was driving that long lonely hwy 80 a century and a half ago, and listening to the radio,

I thought Happiness
Was Lubbock, Texas
In my rear view mirror

I thought I never would get out of Texas. Then I had my second flat tire. Damn that was a long trip.

huisjen
09-02-2009, 12:51 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Dan

huisjen
09-02-2009, 12:53 PM
* Main Entry: se·di·tion
* Pronunciation: \si-ˈdi-shən\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Middle English sedicioun, from Anglo-French sediciun, from Latin sedition-, seditio, literally, separation, from sed-, se- apart + ition-, itio act of going, from ire to go — more at secede, issue
* Date: 14th century

: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority


Dunno what the laws against it are off hand, but once you take that step, be aware of the consequences. I'm just saying go for it and live with (or die of) the consequences.

Dan

pefjr
09-02-2009, 01:39 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

DanDon't be jealous of my visit to Texas, be thankful that your state is not a part of Massachusetts anymore.

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 03:04 PM
I have a great idea! Once they secede a very tall wall should be built around it and all the fat ass Repugnicans should be exiled there.

Now just hold on a minute there, Mike!

We're trying real hard to make arrangements for them at the furthest extremity of South America, and I think it may be that we should make common cause here because, if you get your way, there's gonna be a whole passel of Texans that find themselves stuck with those people!

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Dan

Dan I hope you'll forgive me a slow-witted moment, but toward whom was this directed?

John A. Campbell
09-02-2009, 03:38 PM
I have a great idea! Once they secede a very tall wall should be built around it and all the fat ass Repugnicans should be exiled there.

Reverend, if you must build that wall and stock it as you have described, kindly leave me a little bitty hole in it where I can get the hell out !.....too many repugnicians here now.

pefjr
09-02-2009, 03:59 PM
I have a great idea! Once they secede a very tall wall should be built around it and all the fat ass Repugnicans should be exiled there.Texans would probably trade you their welfare rolls and rolls of demobrats for the repubs.

Besides, Texas has better BBQ and better music too. Not to mention the thinner and more beautiful Texas women. These women have all their teeth. Now, I know you ain't seen that in awhile, so just use your imagination.

Gonzalo
09-02-2009, 04:46 PM
I have a great idea! Once they secede a very tall wall should be built around it and all the fat ass Repugnicans should be exiled there.Once you have the wall built, very tall, fill it full of water.

pefjr
09-02-2009, 04:57 PM
Once you have the wall built, very tall, fill it full of water.
Maybe you can get Pastor Andersen down in Arizona to pray that up for you.

bobbys
09-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Dan.

DAD!! .

Is that you!?????

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 05:28 PM
Once you have the wall built, very tall, fill it full of water.

Man! Bring it, baby! Bring it on! We could use a little moisture around these parts!

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 05:30 PM
John, you know I like you and Oz and Glen, Willy and the Chicks. We gonna fly ya'll out of there before the last strand of razor wire goes up! I got a fat Repugnican uncle in Austin. They can keep him and his redneck wife!

Once again, Mike, I think everyone involved would be a lot happier if we just sent the lot of them, including your fathead uncle, to Tierra del Fuego. :D

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 05:41 PM
Hey you're in Austin, right. You remember the old Halloween prank? The one with the paper bag full of poo that you set a match to and throw it on someones porch?

How's about if I give you uncle Bob's address?

Hit me with a PM, ol' son! We'll work somethin' out. ;)

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 05:48 PM
Just be careful. Bein the fat ass Repugnican he is, he's got a house full of guns.

I know plenty of fat-assed democrats with housefuls of guns, man!

The question is: Just how bad do you hate this dude? What are his crimes against the peace and tranquility, nay, the dignity of one Memphis Mike? How might poetic justice best be served? Poop under the door may not be the best avenue.

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 06:10 PM
Is a fat assed republican any worse than a weak minded democrat?

They are equally pitiable, IMHO.

oznabrag
09-02-2009, 06:11 PM
He's the only Repugnican in my family. Ain't that crime enough?

Prolly so!

pefjr
09-02-2009, 06:48 PM
The "weak minded" "democrat"? hmm.......repeating yourself?

pefjr
09-02-2009, 07:27 PM
just trading barbs with the demobrats, no offense intended.

RodB
09-02-2009, 09:13 PM
Texas(thats injun for amigo), I was driving that long lonely hwy 80 a century and a half ago, and listening to the radio,

I thought Happiness
Was Lubbock, Texas
In my rear view mirror

I thought I never would get out of Texas. Then I had my second flat tire. Damn that was a long trip.


Do us a favor... don't ever come back...

R

pefjr
09-02-2009, 10:06 PM
That's not very Texas. You don't like Mac Davis?

I plan to go to Big Bend Nat'l park again someday. I want to drive that long straight road from Alpine to whatever that little town is. That road was so straight I didn't touch my steering wheel for 50 miles. I stopped somewhere out in the middle of that desert and found a perfect arrowhead lying on top of a big rock, like it was left there yesterday. And Big Bend is a beautiful place.

I will not bother looking you up though, texas.

RodB
09-02-2009, 10:31 PM
:):D

Texans are usually sensitive about someone badmouthing our State... I won't even bother to defend her... we know what a fine place Texas is... and yes, we do have more great looking women per capita than any other state... just for starters.

RodB

pefjr
09-02-2009, 11:03 PM
Maybe you can be texas enough to point out where I have bad-mouthed the state?

bobbys
09-03-2009, 12:40 AM
Maybe you can be texas enough to point out where I have bad-mouthed the state?.

dont get upset, There ant sisters ran from the Alamo, So there a bit touchy!!:D

pefjr
09-03-2009, 09:50 AM
Its hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way. I think they are mad with native son, Mac Davis for writing that song.

http://blip.fm/profile/S75/blip/20452961/Mac_Davis-Texas_in_My_Rearview_Mirror

John A. Campbell
09-03-2009, 10:55 AM
I think we should all just bury the hatchet and start praying for RAIN in Texas.....at least in Central Texas. For example, Lake Travis is 50 feet below normal capacity. I am 70 years old and I distinctly remember when I was about 10, my grandmother (she was around 72 at the time) and I were standing on the banks of Salado Creek (about 1/2 mile from my house) gathering pecans and she said "Johnny, this Creek has NEVER run dry and if you should ever see it run dry, you need to leave this part of the country". The Salado Creek is spring-fed and is just a trickle now......normally it runs well over the dam at Summers Mill (very near my house) and now the dam looks like a big sheet of dry lumber about 12 feet high and 50 yards long......the only water coming through it now is seeping through a couple of little holes at the bottom of the dam. That may be insignificant to a lot of people but to us it is a crisis situation.

oznabrag
09-03-2009, 11:10 AM
I think we should all just bury the hatchet and start praying for RAIN in Texas.....at least in Central Texas.... to us it is a crisis situation.

You are absolutely correct, John.

I keep the NOAA radar open in a tab on my computer. It is set to monitor the rainfall in Central Texas in color-coded inches-per-hour with one image for every six minutes. I had a friend over yesterday and got him to look at the map. It looked like a plain, old topo map, and he said 'So what?'. I said 'Barry, that's an animated image!' When it sank in that there was not a trace of rain over the past hour anywhere within 150 miles of here, he said 'That's scary!' Then I told him that it looks that way most of the time. Sometimes, there are large light-blue patches that shift around, but that indicates a 'trace' of rain. No rain. At all.

If this drought doesn't break in the next month or two, things are gonna get very, very strange.

Glen Longino
09-03-2009, 11:16 AM
That's not very Texas. You don't like Mac Davis?

I plan to go to Big Bend Nat'l park again someday. I want to drive that long straight road from Alpine to whatever that little town is. That road was so straight I didn't touch my steering wheel for 50 miles. I stopped somewhere out in the middle of that desert and found a perfect arrowhead lying on top of a big rock, like it was left there yesterday. And Big Bend is a beautiful place.

I will not bother looking you up though, texas.

"That road was so straight"...

Alpine to Terlingua or Lajitas ?

Mrleft8
09-03-2009, 11:20 AM
I just wonder if anyone outside of Texas cares whether they secede or not. I sure as hell don't care.

oznabrag
09-03-2009, 11:22 AM
I just wonder if anyone outside of Texas cares whether they seceed or not. I sure as hell don't care.

I'm not sure that anyone inside of Texas even wants to secede!

You know you'd miss us though! ;)

Robmill0605
09-03-2009, 11:28 AM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g148/robmill54/flightovertexas.jpg
Air Force One makes a low pass over Texas.

pefjr
09-03-2009, 11:54 AM
That was xmas 1970, and its changed a lot, memory is not trustworthy. I have tried to map it but not sure, maybe 67. The trip went from Tampa, to San Antone, to Del Rio, I remember the Pecos river canyon very well. Beautiful country along there. I remember one border town that had a big spring in the middle of town. After a few days in Big Bend, we headed up toward the Interstate to head back. That straight road was near Alpine.

John of Phoenix
09-03-2009, 11:58 AM
If this drought doesn't break in the next month or two, things are gonna get very, very strange.
"Here out West, we fight over whiskey. We kill over water."

Milo Christensen
09-03-2009, 12:03 PM
"Here out West, we fight over whiskey. We kill over water."

Not so much killing over water anymore, unless you count the killing the lawyers are making from the endless, countless litigations over water rights.

pefjr
09-03-2009, 12:10 PM
"Here out West, we fight over whiskey. We kill over water."


Not so much killing over water anymore, unless you count the killing the lawyers are making from the endless, countless litigations over water rights.Last count had over 700 lawyers from five states fighting over the Colorado River. So far Colorado hasn't charge a penny for it.

oznabrag
09-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Not so much killing over water anymore, unless you count the killing the lawyers are making from the endless, countless litigations over water rights.

Water rights don't mean spit, if there ain't no water.

pefjr
09-03-2009, 12:39 PM
Water rights don't mean spit, if there ain't no water.Get Ish down there with his drums.

johnw
09-03-2009, 12:57 PM
You are absolutely correct, John.

I keep the NOAA radar open in a tab on my computer. It is set to monitor the rainfall in Central Texas in color-coded inches-per-hour with one image for every six minutes. I had a friend over yesterday and got him to look at the map. It looked like a plain, old topo map, and he said 'So what?'. I said 'Barry, that's an animated image!' When it sank in that there was not a trace of rain over the past hour anywhere within 150 miles of here, he said 'That's scary!' Then I told him that it looks that way most of the time. Sometimes, there are large light-blue patches that shift around, but that indicates a 'trace' of rain. No rain. At all.

If this drought doesn't break in the next month or two, things are gonna get very, very strange.
The part of Texas where I used to live, the Permian Basin, was once a sea floor. O, for the good old days...

John A. Campbell
09-04-2009, 10:19 AM
Oz, my son stopped in Austin a couple of weeks ago for a swim in Barton Springs pool and he told me that some extensive repairs were planned for it over the next several months. Now I read this morning in the Temple Daily Wiper that the Springs are running at only 25% water flow. Also read where the City of Austin will be cutting down 50 trees in Zilker Park that have died from the drought and that some of these are Live Oaks.....a tree that is known for its resistance to severe drought. Wonder why the City didn't shut down watering the golf courses in favor of directing more water toward saving the trees? Or maybe they did indeed quit watering golf courses ......I dunno....anyway, it sure looks bad and I am really worried about all this.

Bruce Taylor
09-04-2009, 10:34 AM
A huge state.

You could fit two of 'em in Quebec, and still have room for Illinois. :D

We keep talking about secession too, but it'll never happen.

(Howdy, John. A .... got any new models to show us?).

Hal Forsen
09-04-2009, 10:42 AM
Baja Oklahoma

John A. Campbell
09-04-2009, 11:02 AM
You could fit two of 'em in Quebec, and still have room for Illinois. :D

We keep talking about secession too, but it'll never happen.

(Howdy, John. A .... got any new models to show us?).

Bruce, did I ever send you pics of the little 28-inch (1/12 scale) static scale model of the 28-foot Hackercraft I built for a gentleman on Lake George, NY? That was my last model so far although I am now building a 63-inch RC live steam model of Weston Farmer's "Diana" fantail launch ....to be powered with a Saito T2GR engine and B3G boiler. This Saito steam plant is really big as models go......in a model tug, it will push a 200 pound adult in a canoe....has 20 mm bore and stroke. Send me your mailing address in private email and I'll send you some pics which you can view and/or post as you wish......thanks much !

oznabrag
09-04-2009, 12:19 PM
Oz, my son stopped in Austin a couple of weeks ago for a swim in Barton Springs... I read this morning... that the Springs are running at only 25% water flow...the City ... will be cutting down 50 trees in Zilker Park that have died from the drought...I dunno....anyway, it sure looks bad and I am really worried about all this.

John, it sure as Hell looks real bad. There are dead trees all over this city, and the only bright spot there is that a lot of them are Pecans. Not that I dislike Pecan trees, but the wood makes for excellent barbecue, and I don't forsee running out of wood for the smoker for a few years yet.

Looks like they're getting a few good storms over Bryan way and, with any luck, this drought will ease on off before Thanksgiving. It will take a year or two of exceptional rainfall to bring the water table back to what we've become accustomed to, but I'm willing to persevere.

Take good care, man, and pray for rain!

pefjr
09-04-2009, 04:58 PM
Want some fried butter? Texas style? come on memphis slim, try some fried pecan pie?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qss_Fn0Pn7E