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clancy
08-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Picked it up at lunch time. Installed tonight in 45 minutes. I gained 8GB of hard drive space. Still exploring the new features and have found that everything is faster.

skuthorp
08-28-2009, 11:42 PM
and uses less space. I regret not going over budget for a Mack more and more. You make me jealous!

Nanoose
08-29-2009, 12:27 AM
Clancy - what do we "gain" by upgrading? I mean, Leopard is working really well.....why would you recommend the change?
Deb

clancy
08-29-2009, 01:07 AM
I bought my first Mac, a 24" iMac, in February. So I'm a mere student when it comes to using a Mac. All applications run in 64 bit so everything you do is faster. This video is from the developers conference in June. The new Snow Leopard features run from the 16 to 46 minute marks. At the price of $29.00 for the upgrade I could't resist.

Apple WWDC 2009 Keynote Address (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu)

Nanoose
08-29-2009, 01:38 AM
Thanks, Clancy. As you say, that's quite a bang for $29 bucks ($35 here, I think). I think I'll order it/pick it up.
Deb

willmarsh3
08-29-2009, 08:14 AM
It's probably a good upgrade but I'll give it a couple of weeks for the bug reports to show up. Remember OS X 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 upgrade?

Tom Galyen
08-29-2009, 09:47 AM
Got it and put it on my iMac yesterday. It took about 35 minutes to run, no clean sweep or anything like it. They don't even recommend it, and the controls to do a clean sweep before hand are difficult to find, just put the disk in and answer a couple of questions and let it go.

Warning: The only way to know that anything has changed, at first glance, is to check the software version by going to the "Apple" in the upper left corner, or checking the amount of hard drive you now have available. Visually on the surface nothing has changed. Then you start using Expose' and things are vastly different.

I really recommend it. Apple has come out with another winner - is there no end to their marvels?

clancy
08-29-2009, 12:00 PM
One thing that has me puzzled is the documents stack. When I open Documents in Finder all folders are in alphabetical order, if I open the Documents stack the folders are in random order.

Nanoose
08-29-2009, 12:29 PM
One thing that has me puzzled is the documents stack. When I open Documents in Finder all folders are in alphabetical order, if I open the Documents stack the folders are in random order.

Clancy - i have leopard (what you've just upgraded?) and I get the same thing. Maybe just something they didn't change?

clancy
08-29-2009, 02:46 PM
I figured that one out. A right click brings up a list of options. The default view lists folders by the date they were added.

Tom Galyen
08-29-2009, 02:50 PM
You may want to go to the Apple window and then to support, look up Snow Leopard, and you will find a set of instructions there with one named "Mac 101" that has info on the Expose, the Dock, and stacks. It is written for OS 10.6.

Have fun.

Tom Montgomery
08-29-2009, 03:47 PM
Apple hits another one out of the park!



Thursday, August 27, 2009
Snow Leopard reviews: Buggy, glitchy, and David Pogue loves it!

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t262/tsmith62x3/Snow_Leopard.jpg

Pogue and Goatberg are back in full hypnosis mode. Both finds loads of bugs and suffer countless problems, like drivers and apps that don't work -- basically, the kind of stuff that you should expect with beta software. Except, um, this is going out on all Macs, starting tomorrow. Goatberg needed an Apple employee to help get his "seamless" integrated Exchange connection working, and concedes, "you likely won't have that aid." Both hacks concede there are not a lot of compelling new features.

Conclusion: A smash hit!

Pogue: "You'll keep experiencing those `oh, that's nice' moments for weeks to come." [Pogue.] (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=technology)

Goatberg: "Snow Leopard will help keep the Mac an appealing choice for computer buyers." [Goatberg.] (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204660604574374791275002148.html)

To be fair, Goatberg is a bit grumpy and doesn't totally rave.

Pogue, on the other hand, had to change his underwear after writing his piece. Just to be clear: This is absolutely not because David Pogue makes most of his money by writing "missing manuals" and other Mac-related user guides.

Like this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=redir_mdp_mobil181-6263293-0476537?ref%5F=sr%5F1%5F1&s=books&qid=1251383301&a=0596153287&sr=8-1), and this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/181-6263293-0476537?ref%5F=sr%5F1%5F2&s=books&qid=1251383410&a=0596804253&sr=8-2), both of them for ... wait for it ... Snow Leopard!

No, David is not pushing Snow Leopard because he has two books coming out that can only be purchased by people who are running Snow Leopard. No. He's pushing Snow Leopard because he's an honest, scrupulous, first-rate journalist, with the highest degree of integrity and the courage to overlook a few bugs and flaws and speak the truth.

Namaste, David Pogue. I honor the place where your financial interests and my own do not become one.

PS, is anyone at the New York Times reading this? Are you guys totally asleep at the switch? Do you realize how we laugh at you over here? And hey, Brad Stone? You big ball-busting investigative journalist? You relentless seeker of the truth? Are you there, Brad? Hello? Has it ever occurred to you what's going on at your own paper? Ah, it just proves again something I've always said about you hacks. Sure, you're all about the "truth" as long as that means busting some company over stock options. When it comes to your own backyard, you're all deaf, dumb and blind. You know what you are? You're a pack of sanctimonious whores. And not even the expensive Eliot Spitzer escort whores. You guys are the cheapo crack whores out strolling the Tenderloin, jumping into cars for five bucks. What do you guys make? A hundred grand a year? I guess that was worth it when you could pretend to yourself that you were the Fourth Estate, doing important work to advance the public good. But now? For a hundred grand a year you sell your souls? And then you wonder why your precious journalism business is dying? News flash, kids: It died a long time ago.

Posted by Steve at 7:22 AM

http://www.fakesteve.net/

Nanoose
08-29-2009, 04:22 PM
Is that a commentary on the product or the integrity/quality of the reviews? Seems to be saying it's a piece of junk, and the best thing since sliced bread.
Whats up?

clancy
08-29-2009, 04:50 PM
The only problem I encountered so far is with Vuse, a BitTorrent that would not connect. I downloaded the latest version and now it works fine.

Tom Montgomery
08-29-2009, 04:55 PM
Deb: FakeSteve and David Pogue are like brothers. You know how brothers can be: they'll snipe and argue and fight and backstab but, when the shiite hits the fan, they'll lay down their lives for one another:

Sunday, June 21, 2009
Clarification: I only have half of Pogue's liver

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pNJFZtinpKY/Sj5Ltne84wI/AAAAAAAAFI4/k4-0NFPchuA/s1600-h/pogueflowers.jpg

He wanted me to have the whole thing. But I was like, David, seriously, I only need half of it, and he was like, "Seriously, man, after all you've done for me -- I mean have you seen my house? Have you seen where I live? Really, Steve, take the whole liver, I mean it." I insisted I only needed half, and he was like, "So as long as they've got me opened up, why don't you take a kidney while you're in there?" I told him I don't need a kidney, and he was like, "Just keep it as a backup. Have it frozen or something. Or how about a lobe from one of my lungs? Or a section of my large intestine. Just name it, you got it." In the end I only took the liver section. The photo shows him arriving at my house to thank me for letting him be my organ donor. Frankly, I understand where he's coming from. I'm not happy about needing a new liver, but I do feel great that I could let David even out his karma a little bit. Truth is, Pogue wasn't kidding when he said he owes me. Hell, even we're not even close to calling it even. Also, I have to tell you, the guy's liver is friggig primo. Very, very low mileage. Much better than the stuff you get waiting on some list. Much love, David Pogue.

Posted by Steve at 7:52 AM

http://www.fakesteve.net/search?q=Pogue

Nanoose
08-29-2009, 04:57 PM
OK....so are they thumbs up or down on the snow?

Tom Montgomery
08-29-2009, 05:13 PM
Thumbs way up!

Walt Mossberg's Snow Leopard review is now on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc

Wild Dingo
08-30-2009, 07:25 AM
Im still trying to figure what I have got without adding more to it!!! strewth Ive no idea what this damned machine can do... it confuses it dumbfounds it mucks with a blokes head something shocking!!!... I mean theres NO bloody right button on the mouse pad!!! well I aint found it... and I havent a clue how anything else works either.... man... but hey its a mac... and like the status bearing style of the iphone... Im in with the in crowd FINALLY... Im cool man I gots a mac :D

Mind you Im still having issues getting the bloody thing to work with the whacketty dak ubeaut "duet" thing by apogee I got for recording with garage band... bloody thing!! :mad:

Russ Manheimer
08-30-2009, 07:34 AM
Shane,

Hold down the Control key and click to see the usual Right Button menu. Also Fn and delete allows forward deleting.

Russ

MiddleAgesMan
08-30-2009, 07:47 AM
To address Nan's question, Snow Leopard works the same as Leopard but comes in a smaller package giving you more room for other things. Instead of adding a bunch of bells and whistles Apple just made Leopard much much better.

Wild Dingo
08-30-2009, 07:50 AM
mmmmm thanks Russ

Okay heres anothery... how the blazes does one take a picture with this thing? I KNOW its got a camera in it cause I used skype while I was over there and it worked... mmm as a video link camera... but what about taking a still picture? Can you do that with this thing?

Cheers!

gotta love the experts here! :cool:

SchoonerRat
08-30-2009, 08:14 AM
mmmmm thanks Russ

Okay heres anothery... how the blazes does one take a picture with this thing? I KNOW its got a camera in it cause I used skype while I was over there and it worked... mmm as a video link camera... but what about taking a still picture? Can you do that with this thing?

Cheers!

gotta love the experts here! :cool:
Try Photo Booth. You'll find it in your Applications folder.

willmarsh3
08-30-2009, 08:52 AM
Shane, another thing you can do for the right click is get a standard USB wheel mouse and just plug it right in.

Nanoose
08-30-2009, 09:32 AM
What will said, except the wireless version is even better. ;)

SchoonerRat
08-30-2009, 10:57 AM
I believe that all new Macs now come with the "Mighty Mouse"

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB112LL/A/Mighty-Mouse?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=Nzk3NDE2NQ

looks like one button but operates as as a 4 button.

Configurable through "System Preferences"

clancy
08-30-2009, 11:13 AM
The Might Mouse is great until you get the scroll ball dirty. That's when you find out that it is glued together.

Nicholas Scheuer
08-30-2009, 12:15 PM
Oppps! I thought this thread concerned Phil Bolger's Snow Leopard design.

Moby Nick

Tom Galyen
08-30-2009, 01:44 PM
Clancy,
The answer to the Mighty Mouse dirty scroll ball is simplicity itself. It was shown to me at my local Apple retail store.

When the scroll ball becomes dirty and begins to act up just take a sheet of plain white paper turn the mouse upside down and run it back and forth on the paper. At first you will see tracks caused by the dirt, but eventually they will leave. Continue a few more seconds and zounds you have a clean mouse. He demo ed it to me and I've been doing it since and it works every time. I find I have to do it about once a month.

Nanoose
08-30-2009, 03:46 PM
Tom - excellent! Thank you.

Tom Galyen
08-30-2009, 06:10 PM
To "Wild Dingo" and all others who are coming out of the "Dark Side" of Windows and into the light of Apple, there is an excellent book available to help you with the transition. It is "Switching to the Mac" by David Pogue. You may have noticed his name in Tom Montgomery's Post #12. This is part of the "The book that should have been in the box" series of manuals. The copy that is available in stores now is for Tiger and Leopard versions of OS X, but the Snow Leopard edition is available on Amazon for pre-release purchase. It should come out later in September or October. I think they were surprised by the early release of Snow Leopard. It is like the "Dummies" books but better in my opinion. I highly recommend this book, and series for all applications.

clancy
08-30-2009, 09:52 PM
You may want to go to the Apple window and then to support, look up Snow Leopard, and you will find a set of instructions there with one named "Mac 101" that has info on the Expose, the Dock, and stacks. It is written for OS 10.6.

Have fun.

I went there didn't have much fun.


By default you have a stack for your Application, Documents and Downloads folders.

I only have stacks for Documents and Downloads. I can't remember ever having an Application stack. I decided to create one. I mistakenly tried to drag the Application icon from the Finder sidebar to the dock. I saw the little puff of smoke that appears when you drag an icon off the dock, heard the poof sound, and it was gone!

After I recovered from my heart attack, I did a search in the Finder window for Applications. There was a folder labeled Applications. I dragged this to the sidebar and everything was restored.

I then dragged the Applications folder from Finder to the Dock. The folder stayed on the dock and the folder icon had an uppercase letter A on it. The folder then changed it's icon to that of the Address Book. I know it used the Address Book icon because it's the first one listed in my Applications folder. How can I change the icon back to that of a folder?

clancy
08-30-2009, 10:14 PM
I was able to answer my own question. I right clicked on the icon and chose Folder instead of Stack under Display Options. The icon switched back to a folder with the letter A.

Wild Dingo
08-31-2009, 01:39 AM
Try Photo Booth. You'll find it in your Applications folder.

And he looked and it was good :cool: thank ye! :rolleyes: Now how do I get a better lookin head so the pics dont scare the beejeezus outta me? Mac got an answer for that mmmm? no didnt think so! suffer on ol chap suffer on :D

A mousey you say? ah so another peice of perifial gunk to go with all the other gunk...

Hey anyone else notice the locations of the damned usb ports are too damned close? plug into one and you cant get another into the second slot? pretty good work boys! :rolleyes: no wukkers just go buy yet another bit of perifial gunk to go with all the other gunk cluttering the ACTUAL desktop :p

Nah its pretty cool in my book! :cool:

SchoonerRat
08-31-2009, 03:00 AM
And he looked and it was good :cool: thank ye! :rolleyes: Now how do I get a better lookin head so the pics dont scare the beejeezus outta me? Mac got an answer for that mmmm? no didnt think so! suffer on ol chap suffer on :D

Find a little blond hottie to sit on your lap at the keyboard.

willmarsh3
09-03-2009, 11:55 AM
I'm glad everyone here is happy with Snow Leopard.

Just an FYI...
Some users are reporting problems with it...
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219501236&subSection=Macintosh+Platform

I'm thinking Apple will come out with a version .01 fix in a week or two and then I'll upgrade.