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Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 07:29 AM
Milo, go buy one of these. Ruger 10/22. Sub moa accuracy out of the box for around $150.00 new.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_1022rb.jpg

huisjen
08-27-2009, 07:35 AM
I looked at those, but they weren't that cheap. I went with a Marlin 795 instead. It's less expensive and lighter weight.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Images/photo_795.jpg

Dan

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-27-2009, 07:37 AM
Very nice, but you're still not allowed to shoot Milo.
Just whack with stick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4qmzArq25M)

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 07:40 AM
Looks almost like plastic Dan.... It's amazing what a good faux finisher can do init? ;)

huisjen
08-27-2009, 07:43 AM
The groundhogs don't care.

Dan

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 07:49 AM
Milo, go buy one of these. Ruger 10/22. Sub moa accuracy out of the box for around $150.00 new.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_1022rb.jpg

one can spend less...or much more and STILL not get a better .22 rifle

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 08:22 AM
Milo doesn't want or need another long gun, especially in a useless caliber like .22 LR. Milo is kind of toying with the idea of a gun he can put in a dry bag when canoeing in wilderness areas that involve portaging from lake to lake.

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 08:27 AM
And you'll need a hand gun on a wilderness canoe trip because.........?

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 08:37 AM
Milo doesn't want or need another long gun, especially in a useless caliber like .22 LR. Milo is kind of toying with the idea of a gun he can put in a dry bag when canoeing in wilderness areas that involve portaging from lake to lake.

look at this:

http://www.cabelas.com/p-0031476227292a.shtml

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 08:38 AM
I'm wondering, on another thread about buying a take apart survival rifle. Why Paul started this thread, I don't know. I would never buy a handgun. Never.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-27-2009, 08:44 AM
Milo doesn't want or need another long gun, especially in a useless caliber like .22 LR. Milo is kind of toying with the idea of a gun he can put in a dry bag when canoeing in wilderness areas that involve portaging from lake to lake.


I'm wondering, on another thread about buying a take apart survival rifle. Why Paul started this thread, I don't know. I would never buy a handgun. Never.

Just wait a cotton pikin minute...

The take apart in the other thread is .22 LR.

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 08:49 AM
Just wait a cotton pikin minute...

The take apart in the other thread is .22 LR.

That's correct. Place gold star on forehead. Wear proudly all day.

Captain Blight
08-27-2009, 09:02 AM
I'm wondering, on another thread about buying a take apart survival rifle. Why Paul started this thread, I don't know. I would never buy a handgun. Never.

http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8480/xpg0ce.jpg

http://www.savagearms.com/images/centerfire/striker/503FSS-Sport-Striker.jpg

http://www.alleghenytradeco.com/images/CONTENDER2.jpg


There's handguns... and then there's handguns. The Contender, bottom picture, has a switch-barrel option for different calibers. The .45LC/.410 shotgun barrel has consistently been their best seller, and makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.


Otherwise, it occurs to me you might get a lot more mileage out of a Remington 870 in 20-gauge, not 12; Given a 20" and fitted with a folding stock and ghost-ring sights, it will compactly and effectively fill your needs.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:10 AM
I'm wondering, on another thread about buying a take apart survival rifle. Why Paul started this thread, I don't know. I would never buy a handgun. Never.

sounds like a religous conviction to me

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:12 AM
http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8480/xpg0ce.jpg

http://www.savagearms.com/images/centerfire/striker/503FSS-Sport-Striker.jpg

http://www.alleghenytradeco.com/images/CONTENDER2.jpg


There's handguns... and then there's handguns. The Contender, bottom picture, has a switch-barrel option for different calibers. The .45LC/.410 shotgun barrel has consistently been their best seller, and makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.


Otherwise, it occurs to me you might get a lot more mileage out of a Remington 870 in 20-gauge, not 12; Given a 20" and fitted with a folding stock and ghost-ring sights, it will compactly and effectively fill your needs.

nothin wrong with the 870 idea...easy take down. Make a couple of seperate canvas sacks with draw string closers for the two "parts" (so they don't rattle against one another) and a third for ammo...be sure to take the 18 or 20 inch barrel on the trip...no need for the long barrel

huisjen
08-27-2009, 09:12 AM
.22LR is a useless caliber? What are you smoking?

Dan

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 09:15 AM
The question remains... What are you planning on shooting?

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 09:16 AM
And I agree with Dan. A .22 LR hollow point will take out pretty much anything you're likely to encounter, including bad people.

Captain Blight
08-27-2009, 09:31 AM
Peter Capstick once killed an elephant with a .22. The Mossad also uses it for... political engineering.

The .22 Mag is not a bad choice either.
Now, if I were a different man, I'd offer to sell Milo my great-grandfather's Remington Mod 14 in .25-20, which takes down by unscrewing one bolt. THAT is a classic UP/ North Wisconsin woodsman's rifle. He was a government land surveyor ca. 1910, and used to spend weeks at a time walking through the woods, and family history has it as an article of faith that he would live off what he could carry and what he could shoot.

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 09:38 AM
Nice! I'll take one... not in original Fireball though, make mine .22-250 please.:)
http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8480/xpg0ce.jpg

huisjen
08-27-2009, 09:40 AM
I once had a Radioman who, instead of firing at the target on the aft end of the flight deck, put three .45 caliber groves in the steel and nonskid instead. Larger calibers don't improve a "Jamoke's" performance. Better to give those sort nerf guns.

Dan

huisjen
08-27-2009, 09:45 AM
Changing caliber won't improve operator function. Is that clear enough?

Dan

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:47 AM
once again...we have gotton this too complicated...the .22 is fine...a wrist rocket would work for me (or Chuck) though I would likely carry a revolver because it's compact and out of the way... .357 or .45 Colt...with shot shells and bullets

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 09:51 AM
Milo doesn't want or need another long gun, especially in a useless caliber like .22 LR. Milo is kind of toying with the idea of a gun he can put in a dry bag when canoeing in wilderness areas that involve portaging from lake to lake.It occurs to me that there may exist a legal problem with your plans Milo. If you want to hunt from a river bank. Isn't it largely illegal to hunt with a center fire rifle in Michigan? I haven't looked into the law well enough to be completely sure but I think Michigan is a shotgun hunting state.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-27-2009, 09:54 AM
It occurs to me that there may exist a legal problem with your plans Milo. If you want to hunt from a river bank. Isn't it largely illegal to hunt with a center fire rifle in Michigan? .....

He wasn't proposing to use a centre fire gun....

I speak as the wearer of an official Gold Star.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:55 AM
He wasn't proposing to use a centre fire gun....

I speak as the wearer of an official Gold Star.

yep...got it complicated...again!

Rick-Mi
08-27-2009, 09:56 AM
Captain is that your Remington XP 100? Sweet, SWEET guns and faaaaar ahead of their time. 221 Fireball by any chance?



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Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:57 AM
Milo...get the little take down...you'll either like it or you won't..."works fine, lasts a long time, fails-safe and draines to the bilge"

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Maybe I am not clear. You were trying to suggest the .22 was an effective round. It is if well placed on target by a trained shooter.
To suggest that caliber or cartridge makes no difference is just a stunningly stupid statement.
If either hit mass one will be effective far above the other.
A .22 round not placed well is useless. Like said above might as well have a slingshot or a pellet gun.

I can improve on that Mark..."if" the .22 hits the target in the right place, it is effective...it matters not whether the shooter is "trained".

"trained" implies some sort of undefined magic...and it embues power on the magic user

huisjen
08-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Well, yes. A clean miss with a .50 and a clean miss with a .22LR have similar effects on the target.

Dan

Captain Blight
08-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Captain is that your Remington XP 100? Sweet, SWEET guns and faaaaar ahead of their time. 221 Fireball by any chance?



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Not mine but just like the one I had, down to the stock stock and the 'scope. Mine was in .221, which is why I traded it off. i should have rebarrelled it to .243, with a 14" bbl a .243 is still well into deer-killing ballistics. Hell I got a Remington 600 (same action, rifle stock) in .243 that has a bbl only 2-1/4" longer, it's killed more deer than CWD.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:03 AM
Well, yes. A clean miss with a .50 and a clean miss with a .22LR have similar effects on the target.

Dan

:) .

huisjen
08-27-2009, 10:12 AM
Okay then. Assuming we have hit our target, .22LR, which is basically no less likely to hit the target than larger calibers, is perfectly adequate to take down most small game. It's been said that .22LR has taken down more game than all other calibers combined. I think it was said by Chuck, so ask him if you want a reference. That's hardly what I'd call a "useless caliber". Since I'm not using mine to hunt deer, elk, elephants, rhino, unbelievers, or fend off the "Fedstapo", I'm not worried about what the lack of punch a .22LR hollowpoint may exhibit. It's still a very useful caliber.

Dan

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 10:14 AM
.22LR is a useless caliber? What are you smoking?

Dan

For me, a long gun in .22LR is useless. But a 2.5 lb survival type semi-auto rifle for under $200 which shoots dime sized groups at 25 yds and breaks down to fit in a floating stock is of considerable interest.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:17 AM
900 what...?

huisjen
08-27-2009, 10:25 AM
The percentage of hunters shooting 900 yards is very low. I don't find my 3 oz. ball peen useless simply because it won't drive framing nails. Willful obtuseness...

Dan

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:26 AM
Mark...you're forgetting the condition...he's floating a river...there are NO 900 yard shots
he is looking for small game...you cain't see small game at half a mile
you are adding conditions never considered in the original thought...the range is gonna be 25 yards or closer...
KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE

Rick-Mi
08-27-2009, 10:34 AM
Not mine but just like the one I had, down to the stock stock and the 'scope. Mine was in .221, which is why I traded it off. i should have rebarrelled it to .243, with a 14" bbl a .243 is still well into deer-killing ballistics. Hell I got a Remington 600 (same action, rifle stock) in .243 that has a bbl only 2-1/4" longer, it's killed more deer than CWD.

I love it, Rem 600 carbine with the vent rib. You have quite a taste in firearms. Along the same era I've had the chance to pick up several 788's which aren't pretty to look at, but shoot lights out! They made those in 243 as well....

John of Phoenix
08-27-2009, 10:34 AM
For me, a long gun in .22LR is useless. But a 2.5 lb survival type semi-auto rifle for under $200 which shoots dime sized groups at 25 yds and breaks down to fit in a floating stock is of considerable interest.

A dime sized group at 75 feet ought to be easy even for a BB gun. Sounds like you've found what you need.

This is for rabbits and similar game on kayak trips?

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 10:34 AM
WOW!

Looks like we might make two pages without this turning into a gun rights debate thread.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-27-2009, 10:39 AM
"Dime sized groups at 25 yards" - are an interesting challenge standing up, using open iron sights and with eyes over 50 y.o.

Without even considering the intrinsic accuracy of the gun.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:39 AM
WOW!

Looks like we might make two pages without this turning into a gun rights debate thread.shut up Paul... :)

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 10:40 AM
You have no right guns! :D

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 10:42 AM
Actually, I'm not looking for game and I'm not looking for trouble. But you know, you get deep in the bush like my boy and I do from time to time, and bad things have been known to happen. Other than taking it to a range for familiarization, I hope I'll never need to shoot it. But if I need it, I'd have 16 rounds available. If nothing else, it'd be five three shot distress signals.

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 10:44 AM
If nothing else, it'd be five three shot distress signals.and then what? :eek:

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:44 AM
Actually, I'm not looking for game and I'm not looking for trouble. But you know, you get deep in the bush like my boy and I do from time to time, and bad things have been known to happen. Other than taking it to a range for familiarization, I hope I'll never need to shoot it. But if I need it, I'd have 16 rounds available. If nothing else, it'd be five three shot distress signals.

get it if you want it Milo...sorry for all the distraction

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:48 AM
leave it alone Mark...it is what it is...there's no reason not to get it

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 10:50 AM
Yeah, I think I will.

Now then, what scope should I put on it?

Considering the 60 year old left eye don't work quite like it did when I was shooting the wings off of flys at 300 yds with open sights. And considering we're not talking even thinking about taking a shot at anything over 50 yds.

Shang
08-27-2009, 10:50 AM
Oh! Go for the 10/22, then excessorize it...!
Modify the trigger with a Hell-Fire Device so it's nearly full-automatic...!
Win the Rambo Look-Alike Contest...!

http://www.gunaccessories.com/mwg/MZ10.gif

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 10:51 AM
4x Leupold

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 10:52 AM
Modify the trigger with a Hell-Fire Device so it's nearly full-automatic...!

HellFires only work with sufficient recoil.:rolleyes:

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 10:54 AM
I'm not trying to bring the fringe out of the woodwork, Shang.

John of Phoenix
08-27-2009, 10:58 AM
A "troubleshooter" as it were. I think inherent in the definition of trouble is that it's unexpected. Personally, I wouldn't want to be assembling my response as the situation developed. We all know your aversion to side arms but that's what you're talking about here. Barring that, a light weight carbine comes to mind. Since you don't think much of .22s, a good old M1 might fit the bill.

http://historydocumented.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/m1_carbine.jpg

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 11:04 AM
Speaking of survival rifles, check this bad boy out. Those Nazi bastards sure did have good ****.

The Sauer M30 drillings, 2 - 12 guage barrels over a 9.3 x 74mm Rifle, supplied to Luftwaffe pilots.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/148/p1003683bn4.jpg

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 11:07 AM
Yeah, I think I will.

Now then, what scope should I put on it?

Considering the 60 year old left eye don't work quite like it did when I was shooting the wings off of flys at 300 yds with open sights. And considering we're not talking even thinking about taking a shot at anything over 50 yds.

no scope...too bulky and defeats the purpose of compactness and hard to use (think dark/poor light and lots of water droplets on the lenses)...factory sights and learn to use em

REMEMBER THE KISS PRINCIPAL!

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-27-2009, 11:15 AM
Speaking of survival rifles, check this bad boy out. ....

The Sauer M30 drillings, 2 - 12 guage barrels over a 9.3 x 74mm Rifle, supplied to Luftwaffe pilots.


Maybe if Hess had waited until August, he'd have passed unremarked....

Shang
08-27-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm not trying to bring the fringe out of the woodwork, Shang.

Many years ago when I live in the wild and piney woods a friend of mine admitted that he was a member of some Pals of Thunder paramilitary nut-group.
"Oh good," I said to tease him, "So if the retched Russians come parachuting into these woods you guys will be prepared!"
"We're not concerned about the Russians," he said, "It's the Enemy Within we're watching..."
"Who's the Enemy Within who will come parachuting in?" I asked.
He looked embarrassed, and said, "Well...you're on the list..."

So I explained to my friend what an Armed Liberal is.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 11:20 AM
Maybe if Hess had waited until August, he'd have passed unremarked....

what...you guys kept him locked up forever...a true political prisoner

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 11:25 AM
Many years ago when I live in the wild and piney woods a friend of mine admitted that he was a member of some Pals of Thunder paramilitary nut-group.
"Oh good," I said to tease him, "So if the retched Russians come parachuting into these woods you guys will be prepared!"
"We're not concerned about the Russians," he said, "It's the Enemy Within we're watching..."
"Who's the Enemy Within who will come parachuting in?" I asked.
He looked embarrassed, and said, "Well...you're on the list..."

So I explained to my friend what an Armed Liberal is.
you know tyler personally???

Shang
08-27-2009, 11:27 AM
HellFires only work with sufficient recoil.:rolleyes:

There's one made for the 10/22. Haven't seen it demonstrated, but I looked at one and said, Phooey, I could make one like that in half an hour in my garage.

Shang
08-27-2009, 11:28 AM
you know tyler personally???

Tyler doesn't even come close to some of the heavy-armed clowns I've met.

Shang
08-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Milo,
You could buy two 10/22's and bolt them together like this guy did.
Nobody would mess with you then.

http://vpcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/10-22gatling.jpg

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 11:43 AM
Shang, I don't know why, but I'm feeling the need for a nice single shot Armalite AR-50L (http://www.impactguns.com/store/LGU-75585A.html). Nobody messes with me now, so WTF. This would be just for fun.

O.K. it's howdy dowdy fringe time. Let all your secret desires for outrageous weapons come out.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 11:43 AM
Milo,
You could buy two 10/22's and bolt them together like this guy did.
Nobody would mess with you then.

http://vpcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/10-22gatling.jpg

a monument to NASCAR and other usless toys

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 11:46 AM
Tyler doesn't even come close to some of the heavy-armed clowns I've met.

Yeah, I've met some guys that make me think we should change our state name from Michigan to Militiagun.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 11:48 AM
Yeah, I've met some guys that make me think we should change our state name from Michigan to Militiagun.

where one Montangard (sp) can wipe out a whole platoon with one piece of crap SKS rifle...

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 11:55 AM
one piece of crap SKS rifle...you'll confuse the propogandists with such purposely misleading nomenclature... surely you meant AK-47 Assault Rifle, right?:p

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't quite know what you mean, Phillip. Not many Montagnards here in Michigan. Lot's of Hmong though. I worked with the Hmong and I like them, I like them a lot.

John of Phoenix
08-27-2009, 11:58 AM
SKS a piece of crap? I've faced a number of them and I'd disagree. I have one in fact.

http://images.suite101.com/948693_com_yugosksbac.jpg

J P
08-27-2009, 12:02 PM
No assembly required.
.357 mag.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/picsonline/m_357left.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/picsonline/m_357allsights.jpg

I suppose one could get creative with the shoulder stock if you wanted it more compact. And lose the tang sight for a forward mounted scope or ghost ring on the receiver.

Shang
08-27-2009, 12:32 PM
Yeah, I've met some guys that make me think we should change our state name from Michigan to Militiagun.

Someday I will tell you about Harry the Mercenary.
In his post-military, post-mercenary days he sold train-loads of ammo for SKS's and AK's, and ran a training camp for would-be Rambos. But now he is in law-inforcement.

I'd say more but he lives too close to me and I'd hate to be doing ninety days for vagrancy on Harry's say so.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 12:42 PM
I don't quite know what you mean, Phillip. Not many Montagnards here in Michigan. Lot's of Hmong though. I worked with the Hmong and I like them, I like them a lot.

perhaps I have it mixed up...a bunch of hunters apparently threatened one who was hunting deer and he removed the threat...they're dead and his life is ruined...stupid and very likely racialy induced

A vietnam transplant...


and the SKS is a junky rifle (so is the AKS...the semi auto version of the AK47)...works fine militarily speaking but that's not what I base value on...totaly different parameters


okay...I looked it up...I had it all wrong...sorry. Here's the link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1477310/Hunter-shoots-five-in-forest-rampage.html

Milo Christensen
08-27-2009, 12:44 PM
Ahh, yes, that was a Hmong from the group in Wisconsin? Minnesota? can't remember which.

Shang
08-27-2009, 12:46 PM
Come on, Milo, no more Mister Nice Guy.

How 'bout this lil' punkin-chucker...?
Put this puppy in the trunk of your car and the neighbors wouldn't have to know until it was too late...

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f93/shangboat/punkinchucker.jpg

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Ahh, yes, that was a Hmong from the group in Wisconsin? Minnesota? can't remember which.

I found it...link in post 85

Iceboy
08-27-2009, 01:05 PM
Vang was from Minnesota. Shooting was in Wisconsin. I know some of those families well. There was blame to go around on both sides but nothing justifying the shooting. Rifle was a Saiga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga-12

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 01:07 PM
Vang was from Minnesota. Shooting was in Wisconsin. I know some of those families well. There was blame to go around on both sides but nothing justifying the shooting. Rifle was a Saiga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga-12

okay...the saiga is an AK variation...

bobbys
08-27-2009, 01:23 PM
After a Shark tried to get in my Dory and eat me i bought a 410 snake charmer for the boat.

I put a sticker that sez .

"This Dory protected by a 410 snake charmer".

They CAN read and i never had any more trouble.

However i was told the gun is Illegal in Oregon so i need to find out if thats true.

http://www.snake-charmer.net/pages_us/iii_technical.htm

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 01:25 PM
After a Shark tried to get in my Dory and eat me i bought a 410 snake charmer for the boat.

I put a sticker that sez .

"This Dory protected by a 410 snake charmer".

They CAN read and i never had any more trouble.

However i was told the gun is Illegal in Oregon so i need to find out if thats true.

http://www.snake-charmer.net/pages_us/iii_technical.htm

prolly illegal...Oregon being a suburb of California

Michael s/v Sannyasin
08-27-2009, 02:07 PM
I was watching some adventure show filmed in Alaska and the group had a handy over-under shotgun/.22 combination rifle. The .22 was great for birds and small game, and the shotgun was great for anything a bit larger or more of a surprise.

I realize it probably doesn't fit your criteria Milo, but just thought it worth mentioning.

I think it was something like this one:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/combination_shotgun-Rifle/SPR94.asp

Mrleft8
08-27-2009, 02:07 PM
Why don't you just get some grenades?

paladin
08-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Israeli political engineers prefer the .25.....

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 02:31 PM
Israeli political engineers prefer the .25.....

I thought they liked a little C-4 in the cell phone

switters
08-27-2009, 02:37 PM
I was watching some adventure show filmed in Alaska and the group had a handy over-under shotgun/.22 combination rifle. The .22 was great for birds and small game, and the shotgun was great for anything a bit larger or more of a surprise.

I realize it probably doesn't fit your criteria Milo, but just thought it worth mentioning.

I think it was something like this one:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/combination_shotgun-Rifle/SPR94.asp

Savage model 24 is the same thing, been around for ever, can be had used at a good price, or was a while back. Had a .22mag over 20 ga. great mountain grouse/rabbit rifle. breaks down small. the new ones are crap because they added too much weight when they put a crossbolt hammer lock in on a breech action.

Nicholas Scheuer
08-27-2009, 02:59 PM
Attn: John Teetsel:

Do you know of a good source (without spending an arm and a leg) for a genuine WW2 M-1 Carbine, not one assembled from new parts manufactured God knows where?

I'm kind of in the market for one, since I'm familiar with every last part in the weapon, and know how to qualify as an "expert" marksman with one.

Moby Nick

Paul Pless
08-27-2009, 03:17 PM
Attn: John Teetsel:

Do you know of a good source (without spending an arm and a leg) for a genuine WW2 M-1 Carbine, not one assembled from new parts manufactured God knows where?

I'm kind of in the market for one, since I'm familiar with every last part in the weapon, and know how to qualify as an "expert" marksman with one.

Moby Nick

Documented WWII era M1' carbines have finally started to rise in price. just a few years ago you could pick them up for $350.00 to $450.00. Now they go for twice that easily. I've seen unfired articles go for a couple of grand depending on manufaturer.

Post WWII production guns go for much much less. . .

John of Phoenix
08-27-2009, 03:18 PM
Nick I suspect that for and authentic WW2 model you'd probably have inquire at a local gun store or go to a gun show. With 6 million produced you should be able to find one somewhere. Fine rifle. I carried one for awhile myself until I got a CAR-15.

Between the years 1941 and 1945 there were over 6 Million M1 Carbines produced by 10 different government contractors.
(Winchester, Standard Products, Underwood-Elliot-Fisher, Quality Hardware Machine, National Postal Meter, Rock-Ola, IBM, Irwin-Pedersen, Inland of GM, and Saginaw Steering Gear of GM)

The big guys like Cabellas and Bass Pro should have knock offs and look-alikes but I doubt they'd have the real deal.

Bill R
08-27-2009, 03:33 PM
Savage model 24 is the same thing, been around for ever, can be had used at a good price, or was a while back. Had a .22mag over 20 ga. great mountain grouse/rabbit rifle. breaks down small. the new ones are crap because they added too much weight when they put a crossbolt hammer lock in on a breech action.



I'll second the Savage Model 24. I had one in the same configuration as my camping/canoeing/go-wherever-people-ain't gun for years. Put everything from grouse to deer on the dinner table.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-27-2009, 06:28 PM
No assembly required.
.357 mag.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/picsonline/m_357left.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/picsonline/m_357allsights.jpg

I suppose one could get creative with the shoulder stock if you wanted it more compact. And lose the tang sight for a forward mounted scope or ghost ring on the receiver.

Replicas of the Colt Lightning Rifle. Fabulous. Made by several outfits, including Beretta, if I recall. Would love one, but they are still pretty pricey, well over a grand I think. And which one? .357mag or .45LC? Short or long barrel? Round or octagonal barrel? Tough decisions.

paladin
08-27-2009, 07:29 PM
still like my 1892 Winchester more better....changed from .25-20 to .357......

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 09:46 PM
still like my 1892 Winchester more better....changed from .25-20 to .357......

I had my original (and shot-out) Marlin 25-20 rebored to 32-20 by PO Ackley himself...years ago...it was death to jackrabbits...running shots (SE Idaho)

George Jung
08-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Why not a 10-22 refitted with a lightweight alloy or synthetic stock? I've not shot these variants, but have seen the photos - very compact, foolproof mechanism, very lightweight. Relatively inexpensive. Iron sights, bulletproof.

Phillip Allen
08-27-2009, 10:08 PM
Why not a 10-22 refitted with a lightweight alloy or synthetic stock? I've not shot these variants, but have seen the photos - very compact, foolproof mechanism, very lightweight. Relatively inexpensive. Iron sights, bulletproof.

that was suggested...the little take-down still won out

paladin
08-28-2009, 07:21 AM
I have a 10-22 carbine fitted with the lightweight synthetic stock for keeping aboard as a plinker. I also have half a dozen 50 round magazines for it.....at it's the simplest of procedures to convert to full auto without much effort, and using the same basic stock I have a pair of Marlin "Camp Carbines" chambered for 9mm Parabellum, similar magazines, similar action.....and plenty robust for conversion should the need arise.

J P
08-28-2009, 12:50 PM
Replicas of the Colt Lightning Rifle. Fabulous. Made by several outfits, including Beretta, if I recall. Would love one, but they are still pretty pricey, well over a grand I think. And which one? .357mag or .45LC? Short or long barrel? Round or octagonal barrel? Tough decisions.

Taurus's version (pictured) is running about 500 bucks. That one's been chopped to a 16 1/2" barrel. Not much use for 26" in .38/.357. Magazine capacity went from 14 to 8. All the sights have been changed. The tang sight is from Taurus ($33), meant for their M62 but fits the Thunderbolt.

Paul Pless
08-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Milo, what about a Buntline Carbine?
Beautiful, accurate, takedown, historic, not available in useless .22 LR. . .

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_revolver_carbine.jpg

Phillip Allen
08-28-2009, 01:17 PM
Milo, what about a Buntline Carbine?
Beautiful, accurate, takedown, historic, not available in useless .22 LR. . .

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_revolver_carbine.jpg

ever wonder what those great big gauntlets were for?
that thing is a good way to burn he-|| outa your off hand wrist

...keep it behind the face of the cylinder

Paul Pless
08-28-2009, 01:26 PM
...keep it behind the face of the cylinderTrue. I don't know if the repros have it but the original Colt factory SAA carbines have a vent drilled into the chamber on top of the pistol frame. Despite this, the one I've shot, still threw a bunch of fire out the sides of the cyclinder - as was expected. The original Colts also had a very cool folding rear sight.

andrewe
08-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Coming in late as usual( time shift) and also wondering about the fascination with obscure hardware. My uncle offered me a Black Forest Wardens gun, double 20g with a .38 rifle under. The usual thumb safety enabled the front trigger and popped up a back sight. Wild boar were common and a 20 wasn't going to cut it.
Had to pass as I would not have qualified under the tough laws over rifles then, worse now.
A

Actually it was 16g but fairly heavy.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
09-02-2009, 03:40 AM
Taurus's version (pictured) is running about 500 bucks. That one's been chopped to a 16 1/2" barrel. Not much use for 26" in .38/.357. Magazine capacity went from 14 to 8. All the sights have been changed. The tang sight is from Taurus ($33), meant for their M62 but fits the Thunderbolt.

Oh really? Taurus has good quality too. The wood isn't as nice at Beretta, but you can't have everything. Dang, I haven't been in ye olde locale gun shop in years, but I may have to shop around for one of those. They just look like too much fun. More fun than a .22, but still reasonably cheap to shoot with .38 reloads. I normally like long barrels, the longer the better, but I can definitely see the appeal of a real compact setup for that one, just like you said. With that close forend position, it also looks properly proportional as well. Wow, heavy barrel profile they put on that thing, overkill, but looks good. You got my wheels turning now, I haven't bought anything nice in quite a while. And that's dirt cheap for a tang sight! Thanks!

paladin
09-02-2009, 07:10 AM
Quite a while back, like new, WWII carbines were sold by the NRA for $20-$25 each. I bought 6 and my gunsmith friend bought 6. We rechambered 4 of them for .44 magnum, just by changing the bolt face and the barrel. Using the original 15 round magazines we could load 11 .44's and with the 30 round magazines could load 22 rounds. Altered the .308 case by cutting it down and resizing it, loading it with 21 gr. 4227 and a 260-265 gr. bullet....we called it the .44 Bulldozer. It worked just fine. Gotta keep the overall bullet length to 1.68 inches to make it feed smoothly.
At present, using Gunbroker.com, there's not one M1 carbine offered for sale.

Iceboy
09-02-2009, 07:29 AM
4 of those M1 carbines for sale here. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/auctions.aspx

Phillip Allen
09-02-2009, 07:46 AM
Quite a while back, like new, WWII carbines were sold by the NRA for $20-$25 each. I bought 6 and my gunsmith friend bought 6. We rechambered 4 of them for .44 magnum, just by changing the bolt face and the barrel. Using the original 15 round magazines we could load 11 .44's and with the 30 round magazines could load 22 rounds. Altered the .308 case by cutting it down and resizing it, loading it with 21 gr. 4227 and a 260-265 gr. bullet....we called it the .44 Bulldozer. It worked just fine. Gotta keep the overall bullet length to 1.68 inches to make it feed smoothly.
At present, using Gunbroker.com, there's not one M1 carbine offered for sale.

one of our presidents decided they shouldn't be sold to the public and they are now destroyed

paladin
09-02-2009, 01:52 PM
I can't remember now what the price was, but as I seem to reckomember, an ammo can full of .30 carbine was about $15-$20 also. I bought half a dozen cans of it. I had the conversion kit for M2 at the time and went through about a can of ammo playing with it on full auto. I put the weapons away in cosmoline at least 30 years ago and they are still where i left them. Locked up. I remember making about 200-250 rounds of .44 Bulldozer rounds and using most all to test the weapons. But still have once fired brass and the RCBS jr. and the Lee loader that I used in 'Nam. I would break apart .45 acps and reload my .44 special cases. I carried the SA .44 before I bought a Browning, Military version from a Canadian, then eventually bought the civilian Browning P-35.

Shang
09-02-2009, 04:35 PM
On a whim I did a Google search on, "Flamethrowers for sale."
Great Shreekin' Jeezus...! There are dozens of loonies out there collecting, trading and making flamethrowers.
One guy seems to inject a note of reality:

"...As a home protection device I could see some minor flaws with a flamethrower..."

Paul Pless
09-02-2009, 04:59 PM
On a whim . . .A whim, eh? :rolleyes:

seanz
09-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Whims make for a strange search history.........

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28&section=products

Milo Christensen
09-02-2009, 05:34 PM
So, I went out and tried to look at some of the guns listed here. There were two salesmen in the store, both completely ignored me for about 20 minutes while they fussed over a sale to a small boy and his father of a lethal looking compound bow and a dozen arrows, which one of them was sharpening to a razor edge while the other went on interminably about the bow and how to use it. I walked out. There's other places to buy guns, ya think?

paladin
09-02-2009, 05:53 PM
John...if you see this.....I sent you a last e-mail but your box is stuffed...need to clean it out....
but....
Same here, John...I have a newly discovered cousin somewhere around Phoenix. My great aunt bailed outta Okiehoma when I was a tiny critter 'cause she didn't like tornadoes...

John of Phoenix
09-03-2009, 10:58 AM
OK Chuck, cleaned it out. Sorry 'bout that.

I know what your aunt means about tornadoes. My dad was stationed at Tinker AFB in OKC for a couple of years. I have pictures of a softball size hail stone that went through our roof and landed on the sofa.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
09-03-2009, 02:22 PM
When my ear used to be closer to the market, as I recall I saw commercial M1 carbines chambered in 9mm, and 45ACP. Either of those are superior to the original chambering.

Yeah I also learned to shoot on a carbine at dad's knee, he also had a bunch of surplus ammo. He doesn't have that one anymore, had a collector friend take it apart one day and found out it was a relatively rare one, so he sold it a few years back.

Shang
09-03-2009, 02:27 PM
A whim, eh? :rolleyes:

Uhh... yeah... flamethrower...
Well... I heard that Milo had a birthday coming up so I was shopping for a gift...

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
09-03-2009, 02:44 PM
Uhh... yeah... flamethrower...
Well... I heard that Milo had a birthday coming up so I was shopping for a gift...

Where do you go for a 22 calibre demountable flamethrower?

Phillip Allen
09-03-2009, 02:55 PM
Where do you go for a 22 calibre demountable flamethrower?

I've got some .22 rim fire "tracer" ammo...too expencive to shoot much but interesting