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Phillip Allen
08-18-2009, 11:34 AM
I wanted to buy a reloading manual...so we stopped by a gun shop. I knew the shop was unlikely to cater to reloaders as soon as I walked through the door...nothing but junk guns (my opinion) meant to appeal to those with testosterone poisoning. The clerks were rude as a matter of habit...that would have sent me out the door...I won't deal with those types. It is a good example to me, anyway, that all gun shops are not interchangeable…though many think they are.

I felt bad for upsetting Shane but there was nothing I could do about it...I apologized and made no other attempt to find the manual while there

I would like to point out though that a lot of generalization goes on in the world...that gun shop is likely to represent the shooting "sports" public to Shane and it can't be helped now.

the generalization works like this...most here have seen Brian W's pics and some of his hunting pics...but consider the scene in Crocodile Dundee where the drunk, pick-up driving shooters were spotlighting and killing kangaroos...and that is what all your friends are willing to accept as the "standard" so called hunter...

Does anyone here actually think that is a fair generalization? Really?

If I lived in Memphis, I would seek out a shop that catered to my kind of shooting and ignore the others…that is what I do here. The “others” bother me but they don’t scare me. Every time I get the chance I try to re educate those guys…like shutting a bank vault door, one is foolish to run up and try to kick it shut… (Just what the anti gun crowd is doing, BTW)

That gun shop doesn’t represent shooting sports to me any more than the proverbial whores on 42nd Street represent women.

Phillip Allen
08-18-2009, 12:54 PM
no answer? anyone?

Phillip Allen
08-18-2009, 01:02 PM
Sorry. Read it. Didn't make sense to me.

Maybe you needed to be there? MMike will be along after work and perhaps he can make it clearer for those who weren't there

bobbys
08-18-2009, 01:27 PM
A lot of stores have rude people working there, I dont know how to connect the dots between rude people in a gun store vs Brians hunting pictures..

Phillip Allen
08-18-2009, 01:30 PM
A lot of stores have rude people working there, I dont know how to connect the dots between rude people in a gun store vs Brians hunting pictures..

the point is that there IS no connection! Yet, the anti gun crowd continues to cite the gun shop mentioned above (or ones like it) as evidence of a connection!!!

bobbys
08-18-2009, 01:35 PM
the point is that there IS no connection! Yet, the anti gun crowd continues to cite the gun shop mentioned above (or ones like it) as evidence of a connection!!!.

O ok i missed the reference to a gun store in the other threads i wuz doodling and looking at the girlie pictures just like high school!!!:D

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:13 AM
So.......do you think that shop should be allowed to stay in business? A simple yes or no will suffice.

yes and no...
yes it should be allowed to do business (as long as all is according to the law)
no, a simple yes or no will not work

it would be very dangerous to allow personal opinion to decide which women's underware shops to allow to do business as well...like the ignore function on this forum, to NEED it is to need others to do your thinking for you

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 08:14 AM
I think it's hard to describe the gun culture differences between the USA and almost any other country. We've been in Lansing Michigan a couple of days waiting for the truck to get fixed... We stopped into a Gander Mtn store.... and it was just plain weird. Several large counters of hand guns, including pink ones and some real hand cannons... then endless racks of rifles, some with definite assault rifle styling. This sight is something just plain foreign, and frankly, bizarre. Nancy turned and said "How can a country so close to us be so different?"

I don't know that answer.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:15 AM
I think it's hard to describe the gun culture differences between the USA and almost any other country. We've been in Lansing Michigan a couple of days waiting for the truck to get fixed... We stopped into a Gander Mtn store.... and it was just plain weird. Several large counters of hand guns, including pink ones and some real hand cannons... then endless racks of rifles, some with definite assault rifle styling. This sight is something just plain foreign, and frankly, bizarre. Nancy turned and said "How can a country so close to us be so different?"

I don't know that answer.

the obvious answer is "we don't know either" :)

The Bigfella
08-19-2009, 08:21 AM
So, tell us a bit more about your experience with 42nd Street

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:31 AM
So, tell us a bit more about your experience with 42nd Street

the closes I came to that situation was in the far east...anyway, I said proverbial :)

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:34 AM
They don't sell guns in Canada?

when I lived in Idaho, the liquor stores were state owned and had no adverts and were very hard to find...a sort of "Joe sent me" kinda thing...the Mormon church had a strangle hold on such things...I expect Canada's "fear-of-the-gun culture" has done the same

skuthorp
08-19-2009, 08:43 AM
I wanted to buy a reloading manual...so we stopped by a gun shop. I knew the shop was unlikely to cater to reloaders as soon as I walked through the door...nothing but junk guns (my opinion) meant to appeal to those with testosterone poisoning. The clerks were rude as a matter of habit...that would have sent me out the door...I won't deal with those types. It is a good example to me, anyway, that all gun shops are not interchangeable…though many think they are.

I felt bad for upsetting Shane but there was nothing I could do about it...I apologized and made no other attempt to find the manual while there

I would like to point out though that a lot of generalization goes on in the world...that gun shop is likely to represent the shooting "sports" public to Shane and it can't be helped now.

the generalization works like this...most here have seen Brian W's pics and some of his hunting pics...but consider the scene in Crocodile Dundee where the drunk, pick-up driving shooters were spotlighting and killing kangaroos...and that is what all your friends are willing to accept as the "standard" so called hunter...

Does anyone here actually think that is a fair generalization? Really?

If I lived in Memphis, I would seek out a shop that catered to my kind of shooting and ignore the others…that is what I do here. The “others” bother me but they don’t scare me. Every time I get the chance I try to re educate those guys…like shutting a bank vault door, one is foolish to run up and try to kick it shut… (Just what the anti gun crowd is doing, BTW)

That gun shop doesn’t represent shooting sports to me any more than the proverbial whores on 42nd Street represent women.

Phillip I had at one time a PM conversation with the notorious Stan V over this subject. Whatever his political views he certainly was a serious hunter, for the pot. Planned his trips in a military fashion to places he had 'prepared' in that he and his companions kept open sight lines, hides and cover, vehicle access to haul away the meat in portable freezers. All that you might expect from a professional attitude to the task. Interesting and enthusiastic on the subject. We did not agree on much else though.
Generalisations are never fair Phillip, I still have great problems with hand guns and military weapons in such wide distribution, but that is not the same as a skilled person hunting for a future meal. After all I do occasionally fish. BTW, the trip to Alaska sounds fabulous.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:48 AM
Phillip I had at one time a PM conversation with the notorious Stan V over this subject. Whatever his political views he certainly was a serious hunter, for the pot. Planned his trips in a military fashion to places he had 'prepared' in that he and his companions kept open sight lines, hides and cover, vehicle access to haul away the meat in portable freezers. All that you might expect from a professional attitude to the task. Interesting and enthusiastic on the subject. We did not agree on much else though.
Generalisations are never fair Phillip, I still have great problems with hand guns and military weapons in such wide distribution, but that is not the same as a skilled person hunting for a future meal. After all I do occasionally fish. BTW, the trip to Alaska sounds fabulous.

why don't we explore the idea of a few of us making the trip together next year...maybe just two as the truck (6 passenger) might be more comfortable if we kept the back seat open...'course Dingo would fit in the back just fine :)

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 09:00 AM
Well, I'm sorry we can't agree on this Mike

Give this some thought, years ago people got together and decided the rest of us didn't need alcoholic beverages...the shops were shut down...no one got hurt...NOT!

The point I'm getting at is that it is dangerous to dictate to a free thinking populace...first they must be mentally subjugated before the leadership can dictate thought...think of the success of the Jesus industry...maybe that's what's happening now?

skuthorp
08-19-2009, 09:16 AM
I don't think anyone is going to 'ban' guns Phillip for the obvious reason that maybe a majority of the population would not obey such a law. And frankly how would they get it up, let alone passed? It's just a furfy, I'd look at who is making the most money out of this nonsense.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-19-2009, 09:16 AM
We stopped into a Gander Mtn store.... and it was just plain weird. Several large counters of hand guns, including pink ones and some real hand cannons.

Hot chicks and pink guns, it's the American way Pete.



http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/pink_gun_bikini_gun.jpg

bobbys
08-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Hot chicks and pink guns, it's the American way Pete.



http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/pink_gun_bikini_gun.jpg.

I cant find the gun in the picture, I give up, Give me just one clue and i will find it!!!!

Captain Intrepid
08-19-2009, 11:45 AM
They don't sell guns in Canada?

Not in supermarkets. Kinda like how you wouldn't sell hardcore pornography at a bakery. There are shops specifically for guns, and handguns aren't generally sold, cause almost all the people up here who own guns for protection are criminals.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 11:58 AM
Not in supermarkets. Kinda like how you wouldn't sell hardcore pornography at a bakery. There are shops specifically for guns, and handguns aren't generally sold, cause almost all the people up here who own guns for protection are criminals.

two questions:

do you actually think guns are on the shelf next to the bread or are you trying to confuse the gullible? (I spoze that's two questions)

are criminals the only people allowed to defend themselves or is defending yourself a criminal act? (guess that's another question)

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 12:09 PM
Gander Mountain isn't a supermarket, it's an outdoor sports retailer.

Judging from this site, there are quite a few gun retailers in Canada, and many of them sell handguns (which aren't used only for protection).
http://www.firearmscanada.com/gun_dealers.html

Here's one selling a pink rifle!:p
http://www.bashawsports.com/showcase.html

gimmie a break Donn...he already knew that

BrianW
08-19-2009, 12:15 PM
I think it's cool you two were able to hang out for awhile.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 12:20 PM
I think it's cool you two were able to hang out for awhile.

we get along fine Brian...Mike has a big heart and is a good man

Captain Intrepid
08-19-2009, 12:24 PM
two questions:

do you actually think guns are on the shelf next to the bread or are you trying to confuse the gullible? (I spoze that's two questions)

are criminals the only people allowed to defend themselves or is defending yourself a criminal act? (guess that's another question)

1)Not at all, it's just weird having them under the same roof. A cultural difference, like expecting a McDonalds to contain food.

2)Nope, if I remember the criminal code correctly, self defense is allowable under the condition that the person defending themselves/others reasonably believe that the assaulter will cause death or grievous bodily harm, though you are limited to using only as much force as necessary to remove that threat.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 12:26 PM
1)Not at all, it's just weird having them under the same roof. A cultural difference, like expecting a McDonalds to contain food.

2)Nope, if I remember the criminal code correctly, self defense is allowable under the condition that the person defending themselves/others reasonably believe that the assaulter will cause death or grievous bodily harm, though you are limited to using only as much force as necessary to remove that threat.

ah yes...we do that too...when robbers come into the bed room in the middle of the night, we just shoot em a little bit

Captain Intrepid
08-19-2009, 12:29 PM
Gander Mountain isn't a supermarket, it's an outdoor sports retailer.

Judging from this site, there are quite a few gun retailers in Canada, and many of them sell handguns (which aren't used only for protection).
http://www.firearmscanada.com/gun_dealers.html

Here's one selling a pink rifle!:p
http://www.bashawsports.com/showcase.html

Sorry, I was under the assumption that Gander Mountain was a city or a town as I've never heard of the stores themselves, it must be a regional company.

And handguns are sold, they're just restricted, which limits those who buy them. Most gun owners here own long guns.

What we don't have is places like walmart selling guns. (though I know that walmart has discontinued that practice, i merely use them as an example)

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Sorry, I was under the assumption that Gander Mountain was a city or a town as I've never heard of the stores themselves, it must be a regional company.

And handguns are sold, they're just restricted, which limits those who buy them. Most gun owners here own long guns.

What we don't have is places like walmart selling guns. (though I know that walmart has discontinued that practice, i merely use them as an example)

WM still sells em...just not hand guns...and not at all in some "regions"

Captain Intrepid
08-19-2009, 12:36 PM
i stand corrected. Thanks for the heads up.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 12:38 PM
They don't sell guns in Canada?


I frequent a lot of stores that deal with outdoor activities, and while a small quantity of them would sell a small selection of rifles, even that selection would only be... hmm maybe 10% of the amount, and no handguns at all. We just don't have a lot of gun stores. If you interviewed Canadians about their attitude towards guns, it would be almost opposite to americans. I would say that my attitude towards guns is probably 5 or 6 on the scale of 1 to 10... ten being the most against gun ownership, or anti gun generally. I made a point on this little trip of checking out a couple of the outdoor stores (mostly because we were stuck here:D) and it really is quite bizarre for us.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 12:41 PM
I frequent a lot of stores that deal with outdoor activities, and while a small quantity of them would sell a small selection of rifles, even that selection would only be... hmm maybe 10% of the amount, and no handguns at all. We just don't have a lot of gun stores. If you interviewed Canadians about their attitude towards guns, it would be almost opposite to americans. I would say that my attitude towards guns is probably 5 or 6 on the scale of 1 to 10... ten being the most against gun ownership, or anti gun generally. I made a point on this little trip of checking out a couple of the outdoor stores (mostly because we were stuck here:D) and it really is quite bizarre for us.

you shoulda seen Dingo in that god-awful shop in Memphis...he got to shaking and I really felt bad...it was my fault for trying to buy a stinking book

Captain Intrepid
08-19-2009, 12:44 PM
They're the largest such operation in the US, with 116 stores in 23 states. They also own Overton's, the boating catalog retailer. NASDAQ: GMTN

Though having a look at their website, they're an eastern company, all my US experience has been in the west. I'm infinitely more familiar with REI for example.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 12:51 PM
Gander Mountain isn't a supermarket, it's an outdoor sports retailer.

Judging from this site, there are quite a few gun retailers in Canada, and many of them sell handguns (which aren't used only for protection).
http://www.firearmscanada.com/gun_dealers.html

Here's one selling a pink rifle!:p
http://www.bashawsports.com/showcase.html

Funny, I looked at this site, and in my area, I recognize a couple of the stores, very very small retailers, in less than 500 square feet. On top of that, they are in very small communities, (Foxboro, Bancroft) that are mostly rural and more isolated relative to even a community like Belleville (46,000)

I also took a look at the Greater Toronto Area, and included it's immediate neighbours... so this would be a metropolitan area that took in an area consisting of about 3.5 million people. There were 12 stores listed. I don't think that is too many.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 12:54 PM
you shoulda seen Dingo in that god-awful shop in Memphis...he got to shaking and I really felt bad...it was my fault for trying to buy a stinking book

Yeah, I can understand that. Hey, I have had my experience with guns, long and hand, and that store would not scare me, but... it's like going to the moon Phillip. We just don't understand why people would want to own that many instruments of death. It's been, by majority, filtered out of our society for a few generations. We're not against guns up here. We are against guns being used for what they are intended for, and thats why we have controlled guns.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 01:00 PM
Peter, in my lifetime I have had litterally hundreds of guns...so far I have killed one deer, one racoon, one cat, some birds and turtles and snakes and a bunch of squirrels...all over 45 years since I started...I shoot paper...if I want to shoot paper with a machine gun...where's the harm? if my neighbor is afraid of white trucks, must I not be allowed to have one?

Peter...that, BTW, is NOT that much of a stretch! I don't go around scaring folks on purpose but when they threaten to send the government into my life to restrict what scares them, they scare me

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 01:06 PM
I wouldn't think you'd have as many as we do, since there as many people living in Michigan, Ohio and Illinois as in all of Canada. Plus, we need more outlets to provide illegal guns to the criminals in Canada.


The population of Ontario is about 11 million.... looks like maybe 50 stores. What about Michigan Ohio and Illinois... how many gun stores?

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Peter...that, BTW, is NOT that much of a stretch! I don't go around scaring folks on purpose but when they threaten to send the government into my life to restrict what scares them, they scare me

In my country, I AM the government.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 01:07 PM
The population of Ontario is about 11 million.... looks like maybe 50 stores. What about Michigan Ohio and Illinois... how many gun stores?

oh, no one's arguing that...there's lots of stores...small business is encouraged down here

mmd
08-19-2009, 01:48 PM
I think that I can maybe provide a handle on how great the gulf in understanding the need for handguns is between Canadians and Americans:

We Canadians are as completely baffled by the Americans' enthusiasm for defending their right to own and use handguns as the Americans are mystified by the Canadians' enthusiasm to maintain its socialized medicine system. Either side is utterly stymied by the others' inability to recognize, much less than understand, their point of view.

switters
08-19-2009, 01:53 PM
If the rest of Americas monthly premium were to go up $50 a month starting this month for $5k deductible plan then we might start trading some guns in on socialized health care. :rolleyes:

Well, maybe not guns, but we would understand Americas hat much better.

Tom Montgomery
08-19-2009, 02:09 PM
About 18 months ago my life was threatened by a repeat felon. I seriously considered purchasing a handgun for personal protection. I was talked out of it by my friend's boyfriend who is a Jefferson County Deputy Sheriff. What he said was essentially this: "If you ever use the gun you will have to kill him. Because if you merely wound him, he will ruin your life." The cop gave me a can of mace and instruction in it's proper use.

PeterSibley
08-19-2009, 06:08 PM
you shoulda seen Dingo in that god-awful shop in Memphis...he got to shaking and I really felt bad...it was my fault for trying to buy a stinking book

Yep ,we Australians are sensitive souls ,something about a store full of the kind of boys I try to avoid and an arsenal for sale might do it .

Not quite Oz .

S/V Laura Ellen
08-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Nancy turned and said "How can a country so close to us be so different?"

I don't know that answer.

Canada doesn't have a gun culture.

Canada 30 guns per 100 people
US 90 guns per 100 people

90 guns per 100 people? Amazing!:eek:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828

The Bigfella
08-19-2009, 06:24 PM
.... when they threaten to send the government into my life to restrict what scares them, they scare me

Ummm - isn't that what governments do? Enact laws to regulate society, for the benefit of the whole?

So, if driving a rusted out, unroadworthy truck is OK by you, but not OK according to the government, for example - does that scare you?

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 07:59 PM
Yep ,we Australians are sensitive souls ,something about a store full of the kind of boys I try to avoid and an arsenal for sale might do it .

Not quite Oz .

I'd guess it was just shock...there were two customers and five clerks (ourselves excluded)

the clerks all were wearing pistols and acting rude.
must have been six or eight of those .50 BMG sniper rifles setting around...stupid stuff to my thinking

I've warned fellow gun dealers since the mid 70's, If you set out to freighten little ole ladies 'cause you think it's fun...they will eventually deal with you in a way you won't like...they will vote

keep a low profile and be good citizens...it's their best hope

S/V Laura Ellen
08-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Meaningless statistics.

I have two uncles who, between them, own over 1,000 rare shotguns. They are both collectors, and were competitors in trap and skeet. Each of them won the Grand American at least once.

There are much larger collections of guns in this country. Imagine how these collections skew the statistics. I'm sure there are comparable aberrations in Canada.

No actually, it is meaningful.
Why are there some many collectors collecting so many guns in the US?
Nothing to do with a gun culture?

BTW...My statement wasn't pro or anti gun.

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Ummm - isn't that what governments do? Enact laws to regulate society, for the benefit of the whole?

So, if driving a rusted out, unroadworthy truck is OK by you, but not OK according to the government, for example - does that scare you?

I think you missed the point..."scares them" is the operative phrase

lots of things scare people: folks of a different ethnic background or with a different language or culture, teens on skate boards, groups of teens standing on corners, people who like to walk through their neighborhood in the middle of the night and much more...I'm sure you can think of some phobias and you are saying that regulating the focus of phobias is good for all? (have you, by any chance, got blue hair?)

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:08 PM
I've been in that one particular shop several times over the years and never felt afraid. However in this instance there was what could be percieved as a gang banger trying to buy a weapon whose sole purpose is designed to kill other human beings with and kill them quickly. Knowing who commits the crime around here and being aware of the escalation in crime and murder in this city.......yeah it was a little creepy. Especially when the shop clerk only appeared to be concerned with the sale. Believe me......this kid wasn't no damn squirrel hunter. I've spent enough time on the streets to know better.

I'm sure that contributed to Shane's distress...it was a bad idea on my part and I'm sorry for it

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:11 PM
Canada doesn't have a gun culture.

Canada 30 guns per 100 people
US 90 guns per 100 people

90 guns per 100 people? Amazing!:eek:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828

according to Milo...gun culture begins with the very first gun...

Phillip Allen
08-19-2009, 08:12 PM
No actually, it is meaningful.
Why are there some many collectors collecting so many guns in the US?
Nothing to do with a gun culture?

BTW...My statement wasn't pro or anti gun.

do you think collecting guns is fundamentally different than collecting anything else...rare documents or cars or coins...

The Bigfella
08-19-2009, 09:40 PM
... ask him whether the US has an appropriate gun safety culture.

Joe (SoCal)
08-19-2009, 09:46 PM
I know, Joe. I've been reading his "crap" over the past several months and not saying a word. I finally blew a fuse.

We spoke
Shane & I spoke
I held my tongue out of respect for my two friends.
He brought this ****e upon himself with this thread if he wasn't MORE narcissistic than me he would delete this thread.

Joe (SoCal)
08-19-2009, 09:47 PM
... ask him whether the US has an appropriate gun safety culture.

How about asking him if he even owns a gun safe :rolleyes:

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-19-2009, 10:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIpLd0WQKCY

Joe (SoCal)
08-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Phillip does not need to see that post, Joe.
Spare him the pain of reading it, please.
I'll delete this if you delete that!:)

Its a fact
Ive had to face facts
sometimes its for the best
MMike's, "Aww Shucks " & Scot are the only one who's got the my ear on what they want me to do.

Joe (SoCal)
08-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Yeah, hit the delete button.

'Tis done As per your request

Glen Longino
08-19-2009, 10:38 PM
Yeah, hit the delete button.

You're a saint in the guise of a biker hippie drunk guitar player!

S/V Laura Ellen
08-19-2009, 10:44 PM
do you think collecting guns is fundamentally different than collecting anything else...rare documents or cars or coins...

You are trying tp place a moral value judgement on the data.
It's just data, is doesn't have an inherent moral value.

But to answer your question, no, collecting is collecting. But culture does affect what people think of value to collect.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-19-2009, 11:24 PM
Hey Phil, can you show me how this one works?


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GzXYfK-lDG4/RqIRftHICXI/AAAAAAAAB84/zG94f54mMtA/s400/Suicide+gun.JPG

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIpLd0WQKCY

this belongs on the political lies and who believes them thread...

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:17 AM
Hey Phil, can you show me how this one works?


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GzXYfK-lDG4/RqIRftHICXI/AAAAAAAAB84/zG94f54mMtA/s400/Suicide+gun.JPG

ya forgot the smiley... :)

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:21 AM
You are trying tp place a moral value judgement on the data.
It's just data, is doesn't have an inherent moral value.

But to answer your question, no, collecting is collecting. But culture does affect what people think of value to collect.

"so many"...?

data please...I don't understand what you want but to say "Why are there some many collectors collecting so many guns in the US?" strongly suggests there is something wrong with "it" so...what is wrong with it? what is wrong with collecting stamps and so on?...

S/V Laura Ellen
08-20-2009, 12:31 AM
"so many"...?

data please...I don't understand what you want but to say "Why are there some many collectors collecting so many guns in the US?" strongly suggests there is something wrong with "it" so...what is wrong with it? what is wrong with collecting stamps and so on?...


Once more, I'm not making any moral value statement about gun ownership or gun collections.

So many?
1000 is alot of anything. If someone said that someone had 1000 cars, I would say thats a lot of cars. I would also say that if the largest collectors were skewing the figures (as Donn suggests) that the US has a car culture. BTW, I'm not anti car either, I'm car neutral.

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:35 AM
maybe this is the break-down of the written word vs spoken...anyway, I've gotton sensitive to the left-lies that don't happen and aren't believed anyway...

peter radclyffe
08-20-2009, 12:37 AM
how many people have been killed by coins & stamps

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:37 AM
BTW, there was once a pole that instead of asking for a population vs total number of guns ratio, asked for the numbers of people who owned one or more guns...it would be a better question but not as dramatic...does drama have anything to do with it?

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:39 AM
how many people have been killed by coins & stamps

how many people have been killed after their ability to defend themselves was removed by their government? Include African nations please

peter radclyffe
08-20-2009, 12:45 AM
are you claiming that your country is in the same state of anarchy as africa

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 12:52 AM
are you claiming that your country is in the same state of anarchy as africa

this is in line with your question...you cannot have it both ways

there are other examples...Wounded Knee would be a good one

WX
08-20-2009, 02:09 AM
I went on a kangaroo and rabbit shoot when i was a teenager. Frankly, I was disgusted by what I saw.

The Bigfella
08-20-2009, 02:13 AM
I went on a kangaroo and rabbit shoot when i was a teenager. Frankly, I was disgusted by what I saw.

Did the kangaroo shoot the rabbit? Or the other way round?

WX
08-20-2009, 02:19 AM
If their ever develop opposable thumbs look out!

skuthorp
08-20-2009, 05:13 AM
Well in my more provocative moments I've often advocated hunting only of species that can shoot back.
BTW Phillip, re your comments about gun 'collectors', a legitimate hobby with strong investment potential for the right pieces. But an AK47, 2 hanguns and a rifle doesn't qualify for a 'collection'. It's a moot point don't you think?

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 09:07 AM
Well in my more provocative moments I've often advocated hunting only of species that can shoot back.
BTW Phillip, re your comments about gun 'collectors', a legitimate hobby with strong investment potential for the right pieces. But an AK47, 2 hanguns and a rifle doesn't qualify for a 'collection'. It's a moot point don't you think?

we used to call the people who just collected guns at random "gun gatherers"
I believe a collection must have a theme to be valuable...like a copy of all the Winchesters chambered for a particular caliber or all the Winchesters of a certin model and so on

an AK47 might fit into a legitimate collection...but there must be a theme

I guess that means I agree with you generally speaking

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 09:08 AM
I went on a kangaroo and rabbit shoot when i was a teenager. Frankly, I was disgusted by what I saw.

I can agree on that...killing for it's intertainment value is shallow at best

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-20-2009, 07:10 PM
Grandpa hunted wabbits for food, not entertainment.
He probably would have hunted roo's too but there were none about.
He was no gun nut but had great taste in guns.
He bought two guns in his lifetime, a Parker double barrel shotgun and a Pearl handled Smith and Weston revolver.
He was a great shot.

Captain Blight
08-20-2009, 07:23 PM
how many people have been killed after their ability to defend themselves was removed by their government? Include African nations pleaseDoes this include the Aboriginal occupants of the North American continent, and black folk living in the South after Jim Crow reared his ugly head??

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-20-2009, 07:24 PM
this belongs on the political lies and who believes them thread...



It wasn't a political statement Phil.
It was a feeble attempt to inject some humor into the gun shop experience.
Actually, when I think about it, the funniest thing I've heard, is you took The Wild Dingo and The Reverend to gun shop.
I figured they would have talked you into going to a strip club or something like that.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-20-2009, 07:29 PM
how many people have been killed after their ability to defend themselves was removed by their government? Include African nations please


and here we have the ultimate comment supporting gun cultures. It's the same thing as Donn quoting numbers on gun stores and statistics being equal all thing considered. They're not. Not even close. We don't consider gun ownership in the same way as the US. Most progressive nations are almost totally opposite the USA in gun ownership and control. I do believe, however, that the majority of americans support the status quo when it comes to guns. So it goes.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-20-2009, 07:45 PM
I don't speak for the entire population, and I certainly am aware of the regional disparities as well, but urban and surburban Ontario and Quebec hold the majority, and gun control is not likely to change it's flavour in Canada anytime soon. My prediction is that gun control will get tighter in Canada if anything.

BrianW
08-20-2009, 07:50 PM
...urban and surburban Ontario and Quebec hold the majority, and gun control is not likely to change it's flavour in Canada anytime soon. My prediction is that gun control will get tighter in Canada if anything.

Two very salient points which also apply to the USA.

It's one reason some individuals hold onto their current rights as strongly as they do.

They resist being ruled by the urban masses, and understand that once lost, no freedom is regained without much sacrifice.

PeterSibley
08-20-2009, 07:53 PM
the clerks all were wearing pistols and acting rude.
must have been six or eight of those .50 BMG sniper rifles setting around...stupid stuff to my thinking




Phillip...what is the civilian application of a .50 cal sniper rifle ?

Captain Blight
08-20-2009, 08:00 PM
Phillip...what is the civilian application of a .50 cal sniper rifle ?Punching holes in paper from a long, long way away, mostly. There's some... "hunters"... in Idaho who use them on deer and elk, but to my mind that's almost criminally irresponsible violation of the "fair chase" ethic that prevails in most hunting camps.

Though that Barrett M82 semi-auto would make an excellent piracy deterrent, gyro-stabilized and on a pedestal mount.

Captain Blight
08-20-2009, 08:02 PM
It's one reason some individuals hold onto their current rights as strongly as they do.

They resist being ruled by the urban masses, and understand that once lost, no freedom is regained without much sacrifice.Well, the urban mass is comprised of individuals as well, some of them well-educated and thoughtful individuals who don't understand why their safety should be compromised for the soothing of the rugged individualist's fear of his fellow man.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin', know what I'm sayin'?

BrianW
08-20-2009, 08:15 PM
Well, the urban mass is comprised of individuals as well, some of them well-educated and thoughtful individuals who don't understand why their safety should be compromised for the soothing of the rugged individualist's fear of his fellow man.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin', know what I'm sayin'?

Which leads to the point that not all laws are best imposed at the Federal level.

Captain Blight
08-20-2009, 08:35 PM
I have always maintained that gun laws are 10th Amendment issues in addition to 2nd Amendment.

Mind you, so are abortion laws, same-sex-marriage laws, and licensing of automobiles and their drivers.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-20-2009, 08:48 PM
Phillip...what is the civilian application of a .50 cal sniper rifle ?


Why do they make cars that go faster than the speed limit?

PeterSibley
08-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Why do they make cars that go faster than the speed limit?

A very good question ....mine does by 30km/hr :D just .

PeterSibley
08-20-2009, 09:23 PM
Again , from an Australian point of view having a specifically military weapon available to the public is crazy .

I assume you will differ .Can you buy RPGs for target shooting too ?

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-20-2009, 10:35 PM
Can you buy RPGs for target shooting too ?


Some of the fireworks my neighbor sets off would come close.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-20-2009, 10:51 PM
I think that I can maybe provide a handle on how great the gulf in understanding the need for handguns is between Canadians and Americans:

We Canadians are as completely baffled by the Americans' enthusiasm for defending their right to own and use handguns as the Americans are mystified by the Canadians' enthusiasm to maintain its socialized medicine system. Either side is utterly stymied by the others' inability to recognize, much less than understand, their point of view.

I think cause and effect are being confused. Canada has less violence per capita because of better education that emphasizes less violence. Same think in Finland, but Finland is much more gun friendly than Canada, yet has similarly low rates of violence, including violence with guns.

Health care in Canada is cheaper because of, in my opinion, a better system, but also because Canadians are living healthier lives (better diet, less sedentary, although I am sure this will get worse with time as more jobs become office work like in the US.) There are several cases of Asian countries where they were healthy hard workers, eating good food, then got industrialized, and got fat just like Americans.

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 11:07 PM
Does this include the Aboriginal occupants of the North American continent, and black folk living in the South after Jim Crow reared his ugly head??

it most certainly does...

Phillip Allen
08-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Again , from an Australian point of view having a specifically military weapon available to the public is crazy .

I assume you will differ .Can you buy RPGs for target shooting too ?

ya know, Bigfella's .308 is a military weapon...(7.62mm NATO)

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-20-2009, 11:13 PM
Canada doesn't have a gun culture.

Canada 30 guns per 100 people
US 90 guns per 100 people

90 guns per 100 people? Amazing!:eek:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828

If only. Then everyone would agree. But those 90 guns are owned by much less than 90 percent of the people. However it is still a sizable minority. (Including me). Actually, I used to have quite a collection of shooting irons, like a set of clubs; different one for each purpose, the right tool for the job.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-20-2009, 11:24 PM
... ask him whether the US has an appropriate gun safety culture.

I'll answer that. I own guns, and no, the US does not, in my opinion, have a sufficient gun safety culture. I have personally known a co-worker who stored a loaded revolver between the mattress and the box spring, with small children in the house. I told him it was an accident waiting to happen, not a matter of if but when. I said, if he felt threatened, at least get a fast-acting safe (can be operated even in the dark). Couldn't convince him. And I'm very pro-gun, very proactive on gun safety.

I wonder how Shane would have felt walking into Holland and Holland in London, or Griffin and Howe in New York City, with well dressed, very polite salespersons in natty tweeds, with row after row of the finest in highly crafted sporting and target firearms from the world's finest makers. Fine engraving. Highly figured wood. Would he have felt the same? It goes to the question of whether it was the fundamental ideas, or what guns they were selling, or their attitude, etc.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-20-2009, 11:36 PM
Well in my more provocative moments I've often advocated hunting only of species that can shoot back.
BTW Phillip, re your comments about gun 'collectors', a legitimate hobby with strong investment potential for the right pieces. But an AK47, 2 hanguns and a rifle doesn't qualify for a 'collection'. It's a moot point don't you think?

A collection starts somewhere. My former collection began with the rifle given to me by my father (a hunting rifle converted ("sporterized") from an ex-military rifle, he couldn't afford to buy me a new rifle then), then I added a couple of guns, then I started expanding in variety, had over a dozen guns, all different, 12, 16, and 20 gauge shotguns, .22 hunting rifle, a better center-fire hunting rifle, several target rifles, pistols of all different calibers), before I could afford to start moving up the scale to finer firearms with some collectability. But they were always still shooters and got used. When I needed money for my first computer, they moved on to the next fortunate owners, recycled if you will, some in better condition than when I acquired them. I kept the ones I could not replace later.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
08-20-2009, 11:46 PM
How about asking him if he even owns a gun safe :rolleyes:

A fair and valid question sir. Forget Cash for Clunkers. I think the government should gear up the manufacturers to offer gun safes at cost to anyone that wants them. I've advocated this for years. They're not rocket science. Any of the car makers or suppliers could easily make them. The design should be standardized, with a modular locking mechanism, so that the lock could be upgraded as technology improves. It should be heavy enough to deter the most thieves, but small enough to fit through standard doorways, be as movable as a refrigerator, and not require reinforcing of floors (as I had to do with a 900 pounder). If they get common enough, most everyone will have them and you won't need to move yours when you move, you leave it in place, you reuse the one at the house you just bought. In mass quantities with no middle men, I'm guessing the government could negotiate a price that is 1/3 current retail price. Steel is relatively cheap.

Lucky Luke
08-21-2009, 12:04 AM
Either side is utterly stymied by the others' inability to recognize, much less than understand, their point of view.

Isn't that a Universal Rule....alas?

PeterSibley
08-21-2009, 12:08 AM
ya know, Bigfella's .308 is a military weapon...(7.62mm NATO)

Yep ,but it's not specifically designed to kill a man at 2000 metres .The cartridge might be military but the firearm isn't .A difference .

peter radclyffe
08-21-2009, 12:34 AM
Why do they make cars that go faster than the speed limit?
hills

stevebaby
08-21-2009, 01:06 AM
I think cause and effect are being confused. Canada has less violence per capita because of better education that emphasizes less violence. Same think in Finland, but Finland is much more gun friendly than Canada, yet has similarly low rates of violence, including violence with guns.

Health care in Canada is cheaper because of, in my opinion, a better system, but also because Canadians are living healthier lives (better diet, less sedentary, although I am sure this will get worse with time as more jobs become office work like in the US.) There are several cases of Asian countries where they were healthy hard workers, eating good food, then got industrialized, and got fat just like Americans.From Wikipedia... re Finland.
"Guns and other weapons are tightly regulated. One must separately apply for a gun license, which cannot be issued for "self defense reasons". Even other weapons, such as pepper sprays, are regulated. Carrying weapons, including guns and knives, in public is not allowed."

The Bigfella
08-21-2009, 02:10 AM
ya know, Bigfella's .308 is a military weapon...(7.62mm NATO)

What a load of codswallop

http://www.chuckhawks.com/browning_BLR.jpg

The 7.62 NATO cartridge may be the same calibre, but I don't use military ammo, nor is my .308 BLR a military rifle.

Do you ever get anything right?

Phillip Allen
08-21-2009, 08:27 AM
What a load of codswallop

http://www.chuckhawks.com/browning_BLR.jpg

The 7.62 NATO cartridge may be the same calibre, but I don't use military ammo, nor is my .308 BLR a military rifle.

Do you ever get anything right?

there's a point Ian...think about it

the sniper rifles are not necessarily military...the military versions are different as far as I know...I suppose it's a small point but we seem to victimize ourselves by building up many small errors into much larger ones...

htom
08-21-2009, 08:49 AM
Phillip...what is the civilian application of a .50 cal sniper rifle ?

Silhouette shooting. The target is a 6' tall, three-quarter-inch armour plate cut-out of Barney the Dinosaur. :D

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 08:57 AM
If only. Then everyone would agree. But those 90 guns are owned by much less than 90 percent of the people. However it is still a sizable minority. (Including me). Actually, I used to have quite a collection of shooting irons, like a set of clubs; different one for each purpose, the right tool for the job.

So, if you debunk the stat because of gun collectors skewing the numbers, why is there such a difference between the US and other countries? Other countries don't have gun collectors?

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 09:04 AM
Sure they do, and I mentioned that earlier in the thread. However, with a population 10 times the size of Canada, and far more relaxed ownership regulations, it stands to reason there are more collectors here.


The population size has nothing to du with the ratio of guns to population. A larger population would have more guns but not more guns/person.
The issue of more relaxed gun laws is probably an important factor, but that supports the concept of the US having a gun culture.

Milo Christensen
08-21-2009, 09:08 AM
I've just read this entire thread. My tongue is bleeding profusely.

switters
08-21-2009, 09:14 AM
my $.02, I'll bet The Dingo hates this thread. Lets give it a rest and let it sink. You guys want to play your part in the great gun debate play on stage, pick one without a non-players name on the marquee. Plenty of others around.

Thanks,

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 09:24 AM
Of course it does. A larger population will have more collectors than a smaller population...of any collectible. More collectors with more guns.

As for "gun culture," that's a concept I don't recognize. That's like saying Idaho has a Potato culture, or Canada has a Molson's culture. We have more collectors of baseball cards than collectors of guns. Does that mean we have a baseball card culture?

Point 1. Yes, a larger population will have more collectors but not more collectors as a ratio of population.

Point 2. Canada does have a Molson's culture. We are Canadian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDTa1Abw7Lc&feature=related

Point 3. Yes the US does have a baseball culture, but then so does, Cuba and Japan to name a few others.
Idaho does have a potato culturen, but then so does PEI and Ireland to name a few others.
But the US seems to stand apart from the others with its gun culture (using the argument you put forward).

stevebaby
08-21-2009, 09:25 AM
Of course it does. A larger population will have more collectors than a smaller population...of any collectible. More collectors with more guns.

As for "gun culture," that's a concept I don't recognize. That's like saying Idaho has a Potato culture, or Canada has a Molson's culture. We have more collectors of baseball cards than collectors of guns. Does that mean we have a baseball card culture?Yes.
You're also completely in thrall of the gun manufacturers' advertising. they have very effectively tapped into a uniquely American characteristic...fear. They have used that to create your gun culture, in the same way that the manufacturers of baseball cards have created a desire to buy their product.
Scaredest people in the world, and the gun makers just love to profitably exploit you for it.
Suckers.

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 09:44 AM
Okay Donn, now you are really starting to annoy me. You put your response in my quote so that I can't quote you back. Just the kind of a dirty trick I would expect from a person raised in a gun culture.:D

But the "more showing and trading, and as a consequence generate more interest in new collectors" is more a factor of culture than it is of population.


The larger number of collectors do much more showing and trading, and as a consequence generate more interest in new collectors.

botebum
08-21-2009, 09:52 AM
Okay Donn, now you are really starting to annoy me. You put your response in my quote so that I can't quote you back. Just the kind of a dirty trick I would expect from a person raised in a gun culture.:D
Try C&P:p

But the "more showing and trading, and as a consequence generate more interest in new collectors" is more a factor of culture than it is of population.Gonna' have to agree with Donn on this point. I'm around more gun owners here in NC than I was in NY and my interest has been renewed to a higher level than before. If it were'nt for this forum, how many of us would only have a passing interest in wooden boats? Same thing.

Doug

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 10:02 AM
Doug

Ughhh ... Another dirty trick but another gun culture forumite.

Your statement of support for Donn's position actually doesn't support his position at all.

Using Donns' hypothesis there should have been more interest in guns in NYC due to its higher population and in BFNW NC. I would suggest that the gun culture is stronger in NC than it is in NYC.

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Wrong again. The NYC area has some of the strongest rules against gun ownership in the country. It also has fewer ranges and other opportunities to use guns for sport.

When I moved from Ohio to NYC, my collection transferred ownership to my son in Ohio. I only have one gun here, a shotgun.

Right.... as you said it has more to due with culture than with population. It's culture that determines the rules of ownership and the number of ranges and opportunities for use. I rest my case.

S/V Laura Ellen
08-21-2009, 11:11 AM
You have no case, and have apparently finally realized it. It should rest in peace.

I beg to differ with you, but I think it best to just disagree and leave it at that.

stevebaby
08-21-2009, 05:12 PM
Back to your playpen, stevebaby. Your Mommie's coming.Really, is it asking too much to expect people posting on the Internet to spell words correctly?
It's "Mommy's". :D

PeterSibley
08-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Yes.
You're also completely in thrall of the gun manufacturers' advertising. they have very effectively tapped into a uniquely American characteristic...fear. They have used that to create your gun culture, in the same way that the manufacturers of baseball cards have created a desire to buy their product.
Scaredest people in the world, and the gun makers just love to profitably exploit you for it.
Suckers.

:D:D Most powerful nation on earth .....and scared of itself .:D

George Jung
08-21-2009, 07:25 PM
Another tagteam effort by our Aussie friends. Normally, I'd be betting heavily on Donn; but I've seen this mob at work.

On the other hand, Donn seems rested.

Wonder what the odds are on this one? :D

The Bigfella
08-21-2009, 07:32 PM
As long as you lot think we're scared, I'm happy. It's good to be misunderestimated by the weak.

Another ethernet tough guy...

Betya told those nasty book buyers a thing or two when you were a checkout chick... or didn't you ever work up the courage to say it to their faces?

BrianW
08-21-2009, 09:13 PM
I never know whether to be afraid, or to worry about having a small dick.

I'm gonna need more guns...

:)

Phillip Allen
08-21-2009, 09:28 PM
I never know whether to be afraid, or to worry about having a small dick.

I'm gonna need more guns...

:)

I have a nice .40 cal flintlock you can hunt bears with...

George Jung
08-21-2009, 09:36 PM
I never know whether to be afraid, or to worry about having a small dick.

I'm gonna need more guns...

:)

:p:D:D Hehehe. Ya durn pseudoenvironmentalist....


I have a nice .40 cal flintlock you can hunt bears with...


That's a euphemism, right? :p

I don't get it...:D

Phillip Allen
08-21-2009, 09:39 PM
:p:D:D Hehehe. Ya durn pseudoenvironmentalist....




That's a euphemism, right? :p

I don't get it...:D

a very small bore...which "might" be an imporvment on what he now possesses

The Bigfella
08-21-2009, 10:45 PM
Ian, your ethernet name doesn't mean much to me. When you have something to prove to me, you can easily find me. Until then, your opinion means pretty much the same as the rest of your Oz brothers...not a bloody thing.

The name I use here is just the nickname that a satisfied client has used when addressing me for years.... don't worry your mind too much on it though.... I've only ever rented them some brainpower... never the body.

PeterSibley
08-21-2009, 11:31 PM
As long as you lot think we're scared, I'm happy. It's good to be misunderestimated by the weak.
The amusing thing is , you're not scared of anyone but yourself .

The Bigfella
08-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Hey Peter, what do you reckon he'd put on the garden if the soil was as sour as he is?

PeterSibley
08-21-2009, 11:47 PM
He'd look very white, that's for sure .

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-21-2009, 11:50 PM
Right.... as you said it has more to due with culture than with population. It's culture that determines the rules of ownership and the number of ranges and opportunities for use. I rest my case.


I agree with you Allan for whatever that's worth.
I thought you proved your point pretty well.
As usual Donn has to fling insults because he's a sore loser.

George Jung
08-21-2009, 11:57 PM
Hey Bub -you on the right thread? This is the 'Aussies vs Donn' match-up - I think yer thread is a few pages back or a few threads down - take your pick. :D

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-22-2009, 12:53 AM
Donn passed out about 4 hours ago.
He's a lightweight.
The Aussies will be up all night.

S/V Laura Ellen
08-22-2009, 01:32 AM
I agree with you Allan for whatever that's worth.
I thought you proved your point pretty well.
As usual Donn has to fling insults because he's a sore loser.

Where the hell were you a few hours ago?:D

The Bigfella
08-22-2009, 02:35 AM
Donn passed out about 4 hours ago.
He's a lightweight.
The Aussies will be up all night.

We're always up all night. :D

Actually though, I'll be off to a charity fundraiser in an hour or so.

Normally, I wouldn't give the checkout chick another thought.. but this one tonight is for the local "special" school

http://www.warrah.org/

I'm sure something will remind me of him :D

PeterSibley
08-22-2009, 05:01 AM
http://www.warrah.org/

I'm sure something will remind me of him :D

Looks like a worthwhile one Ian ..have fun .:)

Peter Malcolm Jardine
08-22-2009, 07:07 AM
Two very salient points which also apply to the USA.

It's one reason some individuals hold onto their current rights as strongly as they do.

They resist being ruled by the urban masses, and understand that once lost, no freedom is regained without much sacrifice.


Actually, I live in a democracy. We rule ourselves. You can find out more about Canada if you need to at your local library, but I would recommend a canadian author.

Phillip Allen
08-22-2009, 07:31 AM
Still, only a single-shot. And an interminable reload time.
Or do minie balls come with it?

shoots a 96g round ball at about 2000fps

The Bigfella
08-22-2009, 08:48 AM
Looks like a worthwhile one Ian ..have fun .:)

It was a good night. I even scored a raffle win. Anyone need a couple of serving platters?

BrianW
08-22-2009, 02:19 PM
shoots a 96g round ball at about 2000fps

I prefer 350-400gr and 2400fps for brown bear.

Proven load. ;)

Phillip Allen
08-22-2009, 03:46 PM
I prefer 350-400gr and 2400fps for brown bear.

Proven load. ;)

wimp...

paladin
08-22-2009, 05:43 PM
For real phun how about hunting them arkysaw razorbacks with a flintlock pistol or a bow...from the ground.....

Phillip Allen
08-22-2009, 06:13 PM
For real phun how about hunting them arkysaw razorbacks with a flintlock pistol or a bow...from the ground.....

I usually jest hamstring em with a pen knife... :) (they call me twinkle toes :)

The Bigfella
08-22-2009, 07:17 PM
Yeah - I got a razorback with a bayonet once.... only a little one though, he wandered into our campsite, out beyond the black stump - on the banks of the Darling River. Boy, do those things squeal when the knife goes in.

We stopped and camped at the same site on our way back through 3 days later.... and there was not a sign of the carcass. The other pigs had eaten it, bones and all. Daddy razorback was there then though, I got two arrows off at him - and missed with both, by inches - one shaved his chest, the other his butt... he was on the trot at the time - I'm not a bad shot with a bow, but haven't had enough practice at fast moving targets.

When he headed off, it was straight through our campsite - where my wife was.... "Get in the car... NOW" at the top of my lungs did the trick. The wife didn't need to be told twice.

A bowhunting friend of mine - big Maori chap - got gored by one when he was bowhunting. It charged him, he missed with his last arrow, and he jumped the boar as it got to him. The tusker ripped my mate's thigh as he went under - the boar just put his head up and kept going. The friend was extremely lucky that he missed the artery... and the dangly bits.... but he carries a rather large scar.

PeterSibley
08-22-2009, 07:29 PM
There's a great scene of pig hunting in "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted ",the sequel to "Once Were Warriors " .

The Bigfella
08-22-2009, 08:04 PM
There's a great scene of pig hunting in "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted ",the sequel to "Once Were Warriors " .

Do the pigs win?

Speaking of Once Were Warriors... reminds me of our Friday night local... the East Tamaki Hotel, when I lived in NZ for a couple of years. It got a bit "interesting" in there at times.

PeterSibley
08-22-2009, 08:14 PM
The boys ran away !

Yep ,serious pub scenes , a bit like TI s in Cairns pubs when I was a youngfella .Big boys .

Up at Bamaga on the cape , they'd watch a John Wayne or a Bruce Lee movie them do a reenactment .

Next morning ,
" You proper strong fella , you damn near kill me last !" Fight for the fun of it .A bit like watching elephants at play .

PeterSibley
08-22-2009, 09:32 PM
Not Paris , variety please .Prague would do nicely .

The Bigfella
08-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Since you are so keen on young flesh, Sydney is such a gay city too....

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Sydney+Gay+Lesbian+Mardi+Gras+Festival+Launch+Hxd5 Pouhy-il.jpg