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ccmanuals
07-23-2009, 11:32 AM
This story now breaking in New Jersey. I guess there will be more to follow:


2 NJ mayors, lawmaker arrested in corruption case
By DAVID PORTER (AP) 34 minutes ago
NEWARK, N.J. The mayors of two New Jersey cities and a current and former state legislator were among more than two dozen people arrested Thursday in a sweeping corruption investigation.
Among about 30 people arrested Thursday were Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano III, Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell, Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini, former Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith and state Assemblyman Daniel Van Pelt.
Van Pelt is accused of accepting $10,000 from a cooperating government witness posing as a developer who sought help in getting permits for a project in Ocean County.
Smith, a former state Assemblyman and Jersey City mayoral candidate who served four years as the city's council president, and several other current and former Jersey City public officials also are accused of accepting money to help the fake developer gain permits and approvals.
In separate money laundering complaints, several individuals from Brooklyn and New Jersey were charged with offenses ranging from the trafficking of kidneys from Israeli donors to laundering proceeds from selling fake Gucci and Prada bags. It was not immediately clear how the money laundering arrests were connected to the corruption arrests.
Mike Winnick of the Elberon section of Long Branch was praying inside the Deal Synagogue when it was raided by FBI, IRS and Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office agents.
"Everyone was looking at each other, like, `What's going on here?' " he said.
Winnick said four FBI agents escorted a rabbi from the synagogue into his office and blocked the doorway.
Winnick said he left shortly afterward.
Nearby, FBI and IRS agents removed several boxes from the Deal Yeshiva, a school that educates the children of Sephardic Jews.
More than two dozen people were brought to the FBI's Newark field office Thursday morning. One agent slowly walked an elderly rabbi into the building as another covered his face with a felt hat.

Uncle Duke
07-23-2009, 12:09 PM
trafficking of kidneys

WTF? :eek:

John Smith
07-23-2009, 01:04 PM
This story now breaking in New Jersey. I guess there will be more to follow:
Corrupt politicians? IN New Jersey?

Glad to see some get caught.

My high school teacher ran for country sheriff. He was shocked to see how crooked that turned out to be.

Let's throw the book at these guys, just like we did with Bush and Cheney.:mad:

R.I.Singer30
07-23-2009, 01:06 PM
Over 40 people going down,and I thought Providence was bad.

bobbys
07-24-2009, 02:25 AM
I dont believe it regardless if there Democrats, When i was in NJ the Politicians were as pure as the wind drivin snow on the side of the turnpike

Lies all lies!!!!

John Smith
07-24-2009, 06:21 AM
I dont believe it regardless if there Democrats, When i was in NJ the Politicians were as pure as the wind drivin snow on the side of the turnpike

Lies all lies!!!!
Rachel Maddow had a bit of history on last nigh. Seems NJ is the most corrupt state in the country. High property taxes and auto insurance rates aren't the only thing we're number one in.

Makes a fella proud.:mad:

Phillip Allen
07-24-2009, 06:50 AM
I once complained about the corruption and was told, by someone on this forum...I actually don't remember who, to shut up if I couldn't prove it...suggesting I was full of it...

Phillip Allen
07-24-2009, 07:08 AM
who do you think catches corrupt politicians?

generally, no one

John Smith
07-24-2009, 07:36 AM
generally, no one
If I caught Maddow correctly, it's been the feds catching the NJ politicians.

Anyone remember Spirew Agnew? I remember him being interviewed and saying something to this affect.


First, a friends asks you to make a parking ticket go away. No problem. Next, it's a speeding ticket. Then it just grows.

When I was a kid, a frequently asked question was, "What would you do for a million dollars?" Everyone had these marvelous morals about how they'd not do anything seriously illegal. I always said it was easy to be so moral with a hypothetical million dollars.

I suspect if the money was real, we'd all be surprised at what we'd do.

Milo Christensen
07-24-2009, 07:40 AM
It is a gross violation of long established bilge protocol to not list the party affiliations of all the politicians caught with their hand or their pecker out. A simple D or R will suffice. We cannot have the proper level of outrage without knowing whether the crooks can be excused for being liberals or must be endlessly excoriated for being conservatives.

Thank you so much for your attention to this detail.

TomF
07-24-2009, 07:44 AM
It is a gross violation of long established bilge protocol to not list the party affiliations of all the politicians caught with their hand or their pecker out. A simple D or R will suffice. We cannot have the proper level of outrage without knowing whether the crooks can be excused for being liberals or must be endlessly excoriated for being conservatives.

Thank you so much for your attention to this detail.Religious affiliation too? How was I to know if the Rabbis were Jewish?

John Smith
07-24-2009, 07:45 AM
It is a gross violation of long established bilge protocol to not list the party affiliations of all the politicians caught with their hand or their pecker out. A simple D or R will suffice. We cannot have the proper level of outrage without knowing whether the crooks can be excused for being liberals or must be endlessly excoriated for being conservatives.

Thank you so much for your attention to this detail.

I confess to being a bit confused. Illegal acts are illegal regardless of party affiliation, and I don't believe (perhaps I've missed it) that anyone is getting one republicans particulary zealously, as opposed to democrats, for actual crimes.

We do, us liberals, however, in the areas of unfaithful husbands, point out that the republicans who get caught are hypocritical in this area. The very ones who spoke the loudest that Clinton should resign, get caught cheating on their wives, and don't resign.

C. Ross
07-24-2009, 07:49 AM
I confess to being a bit confused.

....

We do, us liberals, however, in the areas of unfaithful husbands, point out that the republicans who get caught are hypocritical in this area.

Right on cue, Mr. Smith. Your confidence and consistency is inspiring.

Ian McColgin
07-24-2009, 09:48 AM
I'm pretty sure NJ D's are not my kind of D, but anyway, no need to mark party affiliation in this case as all but one of the arrested is a D. Since 2001 or so, about 120 NJ pols have either plead guilty or been convicted of some form of corruption.

I have an aquaintance very high in NY law enforcement - high enough that death threats are routine - who says the level of political corruption in that state surprises even those who think they know it all.

Kaa
07-24-2009, 09:50 AM
who do you think catches corrupt politicians?

Um, no one..? :D

Kaa